Operation Sea Lion (1974 Sandhurst Wargame)

.. "And what are the germans going to do besides die screaming?"

From this thread it appears they will sink a dozen or so Brit ships with airstrikes and mine, & damage another dozen. After that they fire at the RN with a few AA guns fastened to the barge decks. Maybe the dozen plus German warships remaining sortie into the North Sea and head south to help. Last and least might be a few coastal guns sniping away.
 
From this thread it appears they

Unless in the mind of the usual suspects the triumphant tuetonics sweep all before them, the RN ships exploding at the mere sight of a Barge loaded with Germans, meanwhile, the luftwaffe, now equipped with some fighter with an obscure engine that never worked properly (it works now) shoot the RAF down within seconds. Allowing Stuka's to dive bomb the RN which is obligingly steaming in a straight line at 10 knots.
 
Available to fight in the channel 9 battleships, 22 cruisers and 92 destroyers. Even if 3/4 of this fleet was sunk the German army units would suffer worse, they’d be annihilated.
With the battle over there are still plenty of vessels to escort convoys should Germany decide to use the U-boats.
Germany would then be under threat from Uncle Joe & would most likely be the ones to sue for peace. Those terms could well be pretty harsh, considering we allowed you be able to defend yourself after Versailles & this was how you repaid us.
According to Enoch Powell the attitude at that time was to reduce the reich to an agricultural economy & be kept well and truly under the cosh.
 
"Sir! The enemy is very slowly gaining on us!"

I also like how the pro-sealion side hasn't brought up their brilliant tactic to defend against Royal Navy vessels yet... which is in the event of the detection of an unknown vessel at night, the soldiers aboard should fire all their weapons at it. The Royal Navy wouldn't even need to sortie, because the invasion fleet is going to massacre itself.

Dogger Bank incident, WWII German version?
 
As someone with a career in the artillery, & more than a few days aboard landing craft I've been long amused by that one.

The PLA did experiment on strapping land artillery on civilian cargo ships to provide fire support to amphibious forces.

The conclusion is that investing in the air and the missile force would be more effective.
 
Didn't the Germans look into putting the Turret from the PzH2000 on the F125 Frigates a few years ago? It didn't work.....
 
Unless in the mind of the usual suspects the triumphant tuetonics sweep all before them, the RN ships exploding at the mere sight of a Barge loaded with Germans, meanwhile, the luftwaffe, now equipped with some fighter with an obscure engine that never worked properly (it works now) shoot the RAF down within seconds. Allowing Stuka's to dive bomb the RN which is obligingly steaming in a straight line at 10 knots.

Even if all that happens, you're still pitting Light infantry units scattered up and down the coast against prepared defenses and armored units.
 
Even if all that happens, you're still pitting Light infantry units scattered up and down the coast against prepared defenses and armored units.

True but this is Wehraboo's we're dealing with here. The British army will be basically Dad's army without the canned laughter.
 
True but this is Wehraboo's we're dealing with here. The British army will be basically Dad's army without the canned laughter.

Don’t matter who is holding the rifle, even though the majority of the HG were retired soldiers, when a .303 round hits a German soldier it will still kill him.
 
The PLA did experiment on strapping land artillery on civilian cargo ships to provide fire support to amphibious forces.

The conclusion is that investing in the air and the missile force would be more effective.

It was tried in the Mekong Delta back in the 1960s. The barges were moved about and anchored for fire missions. 105mm howitzers chained & bolted down. The instructor who told us about it treated it as a joke, but with calm water & some experience I can see that being successful. Its the moving platform on water with swells, even gentle swells where it gets silly. Warships have some well designed fire control to compensate for relative motion in three dimensions. I learned enough about cannon gunnery in ten years to understand how difficult that is.
 

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True but this is Wehraboo's we're dealing with here. The British army will be basically Dad's army without the canned laughter.

In June 1940 the British Army had 22 infantry divisions and one armoured division. The infantry divisions were, on average, at half strength, had only one-sixth of their normal artillery and some sources state the British army was lacking in transport (just over 2,000 carriers were available, rising to over 3,000 by the end of July). There was a critical shortage of ammunition such that none could be spared for practice. However, records show that the British possessed over 290 million rounds of .303 ammunition of various types on 7 June, rising to over 400 million in August. VII Corps was formed to control the Home Forces' general reserve, and included the 1st Armoured Division. In a reorganisation in July, the divisions with some degree of mobility were placed behind the "coastal crust" of defended beach areas from The Wash to Newhaven in Sussex. The General Headquarters Reserve was expanded to two corps of the most capable units. VII Corps was based at Headley Court in Surrey to the south of London and comprised 1st Armoured and 1st Canadian Divisions with the 1st Army Tank Brigade. IV Corps was based at Latimer House to the north of London and comprised 2nd Armoured, 42nd and 43rd Infantry divisions. VII Corps also included a brigade, diverted from Egypt, from the 2nd New Zealand Expeditionary Force.
(Source is the wiki page on the USM anti-invasion defences )

So, basically 11 divisions of Regulars, with sufficient CoC to spread out further, and an armoured Division. This is the situation in June/July/August 1940 and it’s getting better all the time, remember.
 
Yes I am very aware of how the British forces were improving etc.

But again, I'm talking about Werhaboos.

People who get a raging hard on when they see a WI Germany does X in the War, What if Germany does X for Sealion etc etc etc.

These are the people who will and have legit argued that an invasion of the Isle of Wight was not only feasable but easy to do. That the Luftwaffe who had no dedicated AP bombs at the time and no air dropped torpedoes or delivery system worth a damn would be able to slaughter the RN en mass, and that once the Germans get ashore. Its all over bar the munching of Bratwurst. Who argue that if the Germans had been nice to the Ukranians and Western Russians that Stalin would have fallen easily, all the while ignoring or convieniently forgetting the side of Nazi germany that wasn't good looking kit and smart as paint uniforms.

Basically I was being sarcastic.
 
Don’t matter who is holding the rifle, even though the majority of the HG were retired soldiers, when a .303 round hits a German soldier it will still kill him.

Indeed, and a good portion of the HG had two highly relevant skills to the scenario of invasion, namely, digging in like absolute bastards, and shooting Germans.
 
I swear to god, if anyone mentions strapping field artillery to the decks of the barges...


but, but, they'll be low to the water line* thus hard to target by RN gunnery that's only designed for hitting capital ship at 10 miles, and just like a katana can chop through anything**, a German 88 destroys anything it points at (and all German tubes are of course '88's) ...... or something ;).



*reeeeal low to the water line and then quickly getting lower!

**ultimate fanboi immovable object/irresistible force can a katana chop through the barrel of an 88!?
 
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Indeed, and a good portion of the HG had two highly relevant skills to the scenario of invasion, namely, digging in like absolute bastards, and shooting Germans.

Yep and despite wheraboo assumptions that the soggy chaps pulling themselves ashore in sealion will be the mighty Wehrmacht that stomped across France in weeks complete with artillery, armour and close air support. And not basically under equipped light infantry with out any of that, so in fact very much like an unsupported WW1 infantry rush.
 
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