Operation Sea Lion 1974 Sandhurst Wargame

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Not James Stockdale, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. Stenz Don't judge the past by the standards of today... Monthly Donor

    May 18, 2016
    Leafy Southern Blighty
    Aha! An entire regiment of highly trained paras waiting behind the enemy’s lines, ready to strike! Victory is assured!
  2. hipper Just running down the clock

    Apr 26, 2008
    and the batteries had Radar ! (in 1940 even)
  3. steamboy Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2015
    [Wehraboo] British radar. Thus grossly inferior to der Ubermensch's systems. Why? Because! Validate my points of view damn it!
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  4. Cryhavoc101 Well-Known Member

    Jun 27, 2014
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    And as the barges are made of wood and therefore stealthy so are less likely to be spotted - as you know that wood is not as reflective as metal

    Also they will be moving so slowly that any lazy feckless British radar operator that has spotted them will assume that they are flotsome and ignore them

    Perfideous Germans :eek:
  5. Michele Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2007
    Today, I went to work by bus.
    Normally I go by bike, but today it was raining cats and dogs, and I had an important appointment, I had to be presentable.
    I could have taken the car, but parking downtown costs much much more than the bus fare, and there's no guarantee it takes less time.

    Now, most people here would understand that both going by bike and going by car would have been bad ideas - although for different reasons. Different reasons, same badness.

    The fact that Absurd Proposal A is bad because of Obvious Reason X does not rule out that Outlandish Suggestion B may be bad because of Evident Cause Y.
  6. Stenz Don't judge the past by the standards of today... Monthly Donor

    May 18, 2016
    Leafy Southern Blighty
    Honestly; your reasoned, well laid out, logical argument is wasted here.
  7. misterwibble Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2015
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  8. Letterman Man of Letters (BS in Geology)

    Jul 17, 2011
    Fairbanks, Alaska
    Now that I think about it, instead of a movie, we need ...

    Operation Sea Lion: The Musical

    (to the tune of the Monkees theme song)

    Here we come
    Chugging’ across the Strait
    Trying to get to the beach head
    Before it’s way too late!

    Hey, hey, we're the Wehrmacht
    And people think we are invincible
    But we're too busy drowning
    To say anything sensible

    We're just tryin' to stay afloat
    Come and watch us sink and drown
    We're the Aryan Juggernaut
    And we've got nothing to say

    Hey, hey, we're the Wehrmacht
    You never know when we’ll go down
    So you better get ready
    We’re washing up at your town!
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  9. sonofpegasus Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    Yes GL RDF was installed in most southern coastal batteries by 1940, IIRC.
  10. baldipaul Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    William Webb Ellis Land
    And yet they championed the Stephen Lawrence case. Weird.
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  11. Mike D Well-Known Member

    Nov 30, 2013
    Tell you what Glenn

    (a) List the night time drops by German airborne forces in WW2.

    (b) List the times German airborne forces were used in WW2 without almost total strategic surprise while facing an enemy with radar and fighters (even Blenheim night fighters will cause havoc to unescorted Ju-52s) on standby.

    (c) Tell us how Allied night time drops later in the war fared with almost total air superiority along with a potential escort force of hundreds of radar equipped night fighters and how would being dropped 15 miles from the DZ (the highest figure I've read for 82nd Airborne on D-Day) affect an airborne operation against an island that's 13 miles wide from north to south?

    Then we'll talk about how the survivors might fare once they've actually made it to the ground
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  12. mudhead Little-Known Member

    Jul 1, 2013
    There was such a drop in the Ardennes late in 1944, when Operation Stösser took place as part of the German offensive. It was somewhat unsuccessful.
  13. eltf177 Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2007
    IIRC the forces got scattered everywhere and the commander had a broken leg. By the time enough men were finally assembled it was too late for them to do much of anything...
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  14. Ian Hathaway Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2012
    To be fair it was an improvised force with a number of troops with zero jump training let alone night jumps and the majority of pilots had not flown combat sorties before. It was bound to be a cluster....
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  15. edgeworthy Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2013
    Isn't that the council run subsidised bus service?
  16. Coulsdon Eagle Well-Known Member

    Jan 30, 2012
    Coulsdon, Surrey
    To debunk Wehraboos and their flat-pack fantasies, perchance?
  17. Coulsdon Eagle Well-Known Member

    Jan 30, 2012
    Coulsdon, Surrey
    Has Glenn239 considered the possibilities of invasion via omnibus? Obviously a Sunday would be out given reduced timetables, and best to avoid rush hour, but we could cram two or three divisions onto a couple of buses (reasonable as we all know when one doesn't turn up without a second). Bolt them onto four pedaloes and sneak them off at Sandown to infiltrate the day-trippers. Simples!
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  18. steamboy Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2015
    Indeed Der Ubermensch now have a pre-deployed and easy to exploit transport service for them to spread across the Isle before anyone can react!
  19. Garrison Well-Known Member

    Feb 24, 2012
    Milton Keynes UK
    Essentially this and of course the occasional educational/amusing sidetrack. The Wehraboos seem to think they can win by attrition, that some day those pointing out the idiocy of their ideas will be so tired of the argument that they simply give up, ain't goin to happen.
  20. DaveBC Well-Known Member

    Apr 26, 2014
    Come now, these are not serious objections.

    A - even if this is their first and only, they would obviously do some training first.

    B - ditto.

    C - Simple. Just tell the pilots to adjust their navigation by calibrating up to 15 miles in the corresponding direction, or alternatively, teach the paratroopers to swim.
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