Operation sasquatch: Russia and NATO battle over Baltic States

Fearing that Russia will try to move against the Baltic States NATO ministers agree to send a battlegroup to protect the NATO members.

This Operation is nicknamed Sasquatch which has the purpose to detour the Russians from moving against the Baltic States.

How does Russia react??
 
When does this happen?

If now, is russia actually planning to invade in this scenario?

This actually has some advantages for the NATO battlegroup. While this brings them within range of a good portion of the Russian naval aviation, the baltic is a relativly enclosed and shallow sea, and the US is not particularly good at sub hunting in those waters, the northern fleet is completly out of position to counter the US. So the battle will be between battlegroup and supporting land-based aircraft and whatever the russians have avalible. But I think the russians could probably swarm the Nato taskforce with aircraft. They know where it is, and they can break the defenses with weight of numbers.
 
When does this happen?

If now, is russia actually planning to invade in this scenario?

This actually has some advantages for the NATO battlegroup. While this brings them within range of a good portion of the Russian naval aviation, the baltic is a relativly enclosed and shallow sea, and the US is not particularly good at sub hunting in those waters, the northern fleet is completly out of position to counter the US. So the battle will be between battlegroup and supporting land-based aircraft and whatever the russians have avalible. But I think the russians could probably swarm the Nato taskforce with aircraft. They know where it is, and they can break the defenses with weight of numbers.

Maybe Putin and Co thinks they can bully NATO?? And don't think they will actually come and save the baltic states??
 
Maybe Putin and Co thinks they can bully NATO?? And don't think they will actually come and save the baltic states??

I suspect putin finds the most face-saving means possible to back down. He is many things, but I doubt he would actually fight a full scale war with NATO over the baltic states (and an invasion coupled with a strike on an american battlegroup would be starting that).
 
I suspect putin finds the most face-saving means possible to back down. He is many things, but I doubt he would actually fight a full scale war with NATO over the baltic states (and an invasion coupled with a strike on an american battlegroup would be starting that).

This is turn cause Putin to back down, and some sort of Rose Revolution happens in Moscow??
 
Russia and NATO TF going macho here? My, with friends like those, who would need enemies? (shudders, deletes political rant about most outsiders not getting issues like those right and making xenophobia only worse in the end... )
 
This is not good...
Violence between Russia and NATO has a strong chance of ending in a nuclear exchange...

I wonder how ready the US missile shield is...?
 
Fearing that Russia will try to move against the Baltic States NATO ministers agree to send a battlegroup to protect the NATO members.

This Operation is nicknamed Sasquatch which has the purpose to detour the Russians from moving against the Baltic States.

How does Russia react??

1) Posturing; overflying the forces. Not a lot else. They'd probably realise it'd be a bit dumb to stick a big carrier group in the shallow confines of the Baltic when there are perfectly good airbases in Germany, the UK etc., so know it was a bluff.

2) There are already NATO fighter aircraft in the Baltic States drawn from many countries, which means they'd act as a tripwire to deter any Russian action.

(Btw; the Germans and Swedes are pretty well-versed in Baltic submarine operations. It's what they've been doing for the last 50 years.)
 
1) Posturing; overflying the forces. Not a lot else. They'd probably realise it'd be a bit dumb to stick a big carrier group in the shallow confines of the Baltic when there are perfectly good airbases in Germany, the UK etc., so know it was a bluff.

2) There are already NATO fighter aircraft in the Baltic States drawn from many countries, which means they'd act as a tripwire to deter any Russian action.

(Btw; the Germans and Swedes are pretty well-versed in Baltic submarine operations. It's what they've been doing for the last 50 years.)


I think it's Poland turn recently, so that means we shall see Mig-29 defendign the Baltic airspace. The irony!:p
 
Fearing that Russia will try to move against the Baltic States NATO ministers agree to send a battlegroup to protect the NATO members.

This Operation is nicknamed Sasquatch which has the purpose to detour the Russians from moving against the Baltic States.

How does Russia react??
There are some contract on North Europe demilitarisation. leningrad's millitary district is the smallest in Russia(35000 of men)
 
I think it's Poland turn recently, so that means we shall see Mig-29 defendign the Baltic airspace. The irony!:p

Putin's idear was to gain russia the respect she lost at the end of the cold war, but know he has almost call destruction on his nation.

How will russia react???
 
This is not good...
Violence between Russia and NATO has a strong chance of ending in a nuclear exchange...

I wonder how ready the US missile shield is...?


Not ready yet. In several years maybe ready to stop 20 missiles.
Not ready to stop hundreds of Russian ICBMs and SLBMs.
 
If NATO and Russia battles over the batlic states Sweden will get involved wether we like it or not and we will send our mighty fleet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Navy#Surface_vessels) to aid NATO and then our mighty airforce will join the battles and then russia can dial us for a surrender

that reminds me. the baltics are european union in addition to nato countries. That means that Sweden and finland, which otherwise might have been able to stay neutral, are committed to, well, whatever happens next.
 
If NATO and Russia battles over the batlic states Sweden will get involved wether we like it or not and we will send our mighty fleet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Navy#Surface_vessels) to aid NATO and then our mighty airforce will join the battles and then russia can dial us for a surrender

"Fear our mighty fleet! Our mighty aeroplanes!"

You sure you aren't secretly Polish? Or a 'Merkin teen? :D

That said, it is relatively true. The Swedish submarine force is very good as, I am led to believe, are their air force.
 
"Fear our mighty fleet! Our mighty aeroplanes!"

You sure you aren't secretly Polish? Or a 'Merkin teen? :D

That said, it is relatively true. The Swedish submarine force is very good as, I am led to believe, are their air force.


Don't they have some sort of stealth technology for their surface fleet as well?
 
Protection of the NATO/(maybe) EU task force at sea would fall smack into the hands of the navies that have been practising naval ops in the Baltic for the last 50+ years.

IMNSHO, the USN would not be as comfortable fighting in the Baltic as would be the navies of Norway, (Sweden), (Finland), Denmark, Germany and Poland along with the admittedly very small contingents of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. US surface combatants employ friggin PILOTS for the passage through the Danish islands, for heaven's sake...the price of being almost exclusively blue-water oriented. Thusly, the USN would in all likelihood commit the majority of transport vessels - the Royal Navies of Great Britain and the Netherlands and maybe some French Transports would provide another handful - along with a sizable number of AD ships (Ticonderogas and Arleigh Burkes) to provide an anti-air screen to about 100 nautical miles out (and of course Tomahawks for anti-ship purposes) while ASW would fall squarely in the hands of the "local" navies.

Especially the diesel-electric subs of those countries (especially Germany's, Sweden's and Norway's were tailor-made for the shallow waters and close confines of the Baltic (anti-surface and anti-sub), along with the various fast attack missile craft.

But would sea transport beyond the west coast of Europe even make sense? Poland direcly neighbors Lithuania, last time I checked and most ground forces could go there by way of land. Depends on the Battle Group's size.

Airpower could be based out of various military airports close to the coast (heck, all of northern Europe is close to the coast), consisting of mostly US Air Force planes.


This is just what I could think of (kinda seat-of-the-pants) in short order.
This being my first ever post here after months of lurking quietly, I'd like to say "hi" to everybody. :)
 
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