Operation Downfall: A Timeline

As to the Soviet Army actions in China, I didn't know if they would kind of behavior they would have so I quess. Thank you for letting me know, I will fix it lattle today or tomorrow.
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Just remember that the Russians in Chine have not had as hard a fight is the troops in the West Front; there not as nuts
1 IMHO . Russians and the Chinese have been fighting each other on and off for a 1000 years.
The Russian People remember “The Golden Horde” like it was yesterday. It may be encoded in their DNA. They fear and hate the Chinese. The Chinese have nothing but contempt for anyone/everyone nor Chinese (read Han) especially “Big Noses”. China is “The Middle Kingdom” between Heaven and Earth, and everyone; everyone , not from the “The Middle Kingdom” is a barbarian.
2 IMHO Europeans’ will hold onto a grudge forever, especially Eastern Europeans’; with a passion that Americans can seldom understand. Eastern Europeans’ are also some of the biggest “rednecks” in the world
 
Goodbye Kyoto.:eek: That KYOTO, not Tokyo. Though if this goes on much longer...:mad:

IIRC the official policy IOTL is leave BOTH Tokyo (the Allies need something resembling a government to surrender the country) and Kyoto (nuking it is like nuking Mecca and say you're not at war with Islam) alone. And knowing Ike, I doubt he'll change it much. But you're right, usertron, if the Japs do break out WMDs... :eek::eek:

Marc A
 
1 IMHO . Russians and the Chinese have been fighting each other on and off for a 1000 years.
The Russian People remember “The Golden Horde” like it was yesterday. It may be encoded in their DNA. They fear and hate the Chinese. The Chinese have nothing but contempt for anyone/everyone nor Chinese (read Han) especially “Big Noses”. China is “The Middle Kingdom” between Heaven and Earth, and everyone; everyone , not from the “The Middle Kingdom” is a barbarian.
2 IMHO Europeans’ will hold onto a grudge forever, especially Eastern Europeans’; with a passion that Americans can seldom understand. Eastern Europeans’ are also some of the biggest “rednecks” in the world

Russians were not fighting the Chinese for 1000 years.

In fact, Imperial Russia and Imperial China first encounter happened around 1610 - 1630 when Russians explorers advanced towards Lake Baikal, the Sea of Okhotsk and the Amur River after the vassalization of the siberian khanate after its conquest under Ivan IV the Terrible.

Russians were fighting the Mongols for around 360 years until the last successor state of the Mongols / Tartars / Golden Horde was destroyed : the Khanate of Sibir in 1582, not counting the conquest of Central Asia in the XIXth century...

The Soviet Union and the KMT of Chiang Kai Shek were even allied and the Soviets send a volunteer air force including pilots, technicians and advisors and sent bombers, fighters and military supplies.

And stereotypical views of others people are always bad taste.
 
And stereotypical views of others people are always bad taste.
Unless their white Americans. Then it’s perfectly all right, even commendable
to imply there Raciest, ignorant and stupid. Same thing if there from the Bronx

The Soviet Union and the KMT of Chiang Kai Shek were even allied and the Soviets send a volunteer air force including pilots, technicians and advisors and sent bombers, fighters and military supplies.
BFD Chiang Kai Shek was (when he thought it was to has benefit him) a Communist. He went to Military School in the USSR. The USA sent “Lend-Lease” to Stalin so what? We still didn’t trust or like him. War even more then Politics make strange bedfellows
 
Stereotypical views of other people are always in bad taste. Unless they are White Americans. Then it’s perfectly all right, even commendable, to imply they are racist, ignorant and stupid. Same thing if they are from the Bronx.

I remember writing a humorous post poking fun at stereotypes by using only positive stereotypes on the thread regarding the US relationship with Pakistan post-UBL. Why use it here, and out of context?

BTW, the Bronx???:confused:
 
Japanese Jets

September 7 1945
USS Yorktown operating off the coast of Kyushu

Ensign John Richard had a new nickname in his squadron since his ace making flight. The pilots and ground crew now call him Dutch, which he liked better than his old nickname of the baby. As he got into his Hellcat he knew today so be easy. Over the past five days the skies over Kyushu had been cleared of Jap aircraft. But the brass wasn’t taking any chances; they were going back to Kyushu to hit the airfields again. Unknown to the Allies the Japanese had moved their first jet fighter squadron to Kyushu in the middle of the night to try and stop the Allies air attacks, and buy time for Japan.

Lieutenant George Bush had just finish his attack on the airfield as he pulled into level flight he scanned the skies. His time had given him something of a sixth sense, and he knew something was very wrong. The Japanese hadn’t sent up any fighters to try and stop the raid. As he scanned the skies something caught his eye at the 4 o’clock low. He could see it was moving too fast to be an Allied fighter. As it got closer he could see the red meatball on the side and the plane had no props. He screamed on the radio, “The fucking Japs have Jets!” He threw this Avenger into a hard left to miss the fire that was coming out of the nose of the Kikka.

Ensign John Richard was one of the few fighters that saw the jet that cause the Avenger pilot to scream. He had the high, so he pushed the nose of his Hellcat over so he could build up airspeed. As he was in the dive he pushed his throttle to the wall, and hoped he could pull out of the dive before he lost control of his plane. He soon found he had the Jap Jet in his gun sights and opened up with his six 50s. It was only a one second burst, before he pulled the hellcat out of the dive. He entered level fight only a few hundred feet off the deck. He looked up to see he had hit the jet but he hadn’t destroyed it. He started to climb back to altitude to finish off the jet. He was help by the fact that the jet had slow down to keep control of his jet. He soon found himself with an angle on the jet and opened fire again. This two second burst finish the jet. His victory was short lived, because as he scanned the skies he found that a second jet now had an angle on him. He broke hard to the right to cause the Jap to miss. He knew he couldn’t fight this one. He had the high, then he had damage the last one, and that was the only reason he had been able to shoot it down. Now the tables were turned. He stayed as close as the deck as he could to help keep the Jet from getting an angle on him. He could see the tracers past in front of him, he knew he would have to do something, then he notice his throttle was still out the firewall. He pulled the throttle as low as he dare. The jet then overshot him a few second later. After the jet overshot he pushed his throttle back to the firewall and quickly got his sights on the jet. Once in his sights he opened up with his six 50s for a long five second burst. He shot down his second jet of the day and decided it was enough and started his back to the coast.
 
¡ Hi ! ¡ WELL WRITTEN !:cool:.
Yep, that update is well written:cool:. But Japanese jets:confused:, if i remember correctly the fuel deposits of Japan at the end of ww2 are empty, and how the japaneses it be investigating and creating a new combat jet:confused:, and if they have that jet because the jet superiority how don´t send to earth some/much american airplanes:confused:. In any way, i really like your tale because is interesting and nice story:cool:, and why i suspect that George B. don´t be seen the end of ww2:D:rolleyes::D.
Peace and good luck:).
 
Early jet engines were really ticklish - they'd flame out if the throttle was advanced too quickly. That's the reason the P-51s were able to clobber Me 262s in the landing pattern.
 
¡ Hi ! to Mkemp: if my memory is good the 1-3 battles of the ME 262, was a real monster in the battlefield:eek:, but after that, the allies how to say, learned really fast the gigantic defects of the ME 262, and because this, that plane was "a turkey":D, you know;).
About the japanese jet, maybe the first and second attack was to be kicked by Godzilla:D, BUT after that, that´s japanese jets how to say, be a "cherry fly turkey";):D;).
Peace and good day:).
 
Good stuff

This is good--minor oopsies aside, very good! I can see the Japanese having a few jets; Germany sent materials over to Japan, and the jet would be essentially a ME-262. Jet Kamikaze's--YIPES! More range than an Okha, and more speed than anyting able to intercept.

Incidently, the 40MM Bofors had central fire control, and the crew aiming was only a back-up. So the gunner would mainly be a spectator if things were working. (And when it was on manual, one person pointed the gun (elevation) and one trained the gun (Side to side)
 
I don't remember the name of the U-Boat # or it's commander, but the Germans sent an entire partially disassembled Me-262 by sub with it's destination a refueling Japanese sub in the Dutch East Indies. But the order for surrender came while they were still in the South Atlantic. They were ordered to surface and surrender to the nearest available Allied port. The two Japanese officers on board committed suicide.

I'm not going to challenge the thread as it's written, but I hope we don't start seeing the appearance of Kyushu J7W1 Shindens. The Japanese flat out no longer had the resources for significant mass production of precision aircraft.
 

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I'm guessing these jets and some other toys the Japanese will throw out are more last ditch efforts to stave off defeat. Only the two submarines and Unit 731 really have the power to do damage, if they get to their targets.

As for Japan proper, one thing to consider, even if no more atomic bombs have been used, the USAAF should still have been conducting quite a few conventional B-29 missions over the past month or so.
 
I'm guessing these jets and some other toys the Japanese will throw out are more last ditch efforts to stave off defeat. Only the two submarines and Unit 731 really have the power to do damage, if they get to their targets.

As for Japan proper, one thing to consider, even if no more atomic bombs have been used, the USAAF should still have been conducting quite a few conventional B-29 missions over the past month or so.

Also, B-29 raids from Okinawa should be a regular thing now, with more heavily laden bombers and closer/heavier escorts. Japanese intercepts should be down to almost nothing, unless they expend what little left they have prior to invasion. Tactical aircraft will also have been making strikes on Kyushu from Okinawa for some time.
 
¡ Hi ! why i have the scary idea that if Stalin play how to say, good, nice, civiliced, sweet, you know;), the soviet union it be the real winning of this fight and invasion:eek::(:eek:.
Peace and good luck:).
 
Changes to the Plan

September 8 1945
Iwo Jima

General of the Army Eisenhower and Generals Bradley and Patton ha few weeks going over MacArthur’s plans for Operation Downfall, they didn’t like what they seen. Now they had to face the fact the Japanese had jets. Patton was the first to speak, “Ike, MacArthur plans spread are forces to thin. From the reports I had read the Japs don’t withdraw unless they have to. There are a number of large size islands Macarthur said could be taken with the same division. From what I seen we will need at least two divisions, one each for Tanegashima and the other for Yakushima. Plus we will have to clear a number the smaller island. We need to use the islands as a forward base for the main thrust into Kyushu.”

Ike looked over to Patton, “George what to you want to do?”

“I had drawn my plans for taking the small islands around Kyushu. The 40th Infantry Division will lead the assault on Yakushima plus the Koshikijima Islands. The 77th Infantry Division will take Tanegashima.” He pulled out a map and gave a detail briefing on his plans.

After finishing the briefing Bradley saw George was going to change the whole operation. He didn’t like the man but he have to admit that he was a hell of a tactician. “George, when do you want these landings to happen?”

“Brad these landing so happen around the 22th of October. Operation Olympic will need to be pushed back till we have control of these islands.” Patton looked over to Ike, “Ike do we have any more of these A-bombs?”

“Currently I have two bombs that I can drop, but for the time being I not ordering them being used.”

Brad looked at Ike, “Sir we should only use them in strategic role not in tactical role. There are too many unknowns to put our troops at risk.”

“Brad I was thinking the same think. Too much like gas.”
 
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