Onward Christian Soldiers

Japhy

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During/after the [FONT=verdana, arial]Battle of Brooklyn a rumour goes around that Washington had asked God for help. The after the Fog and American victory a Constantine and the Cross moment takes place and a deep feeling of "God is with us" spreads around the USA.

I was confused because that didn't come up. Rather odd time as it was a massive defeat for the Continentals, which was followed by further defeats, some of the worst in the war.
 

whitecrow

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OK, I know that being religious is considered passé in modern western world and I am no fan of religious fanaticism but I would enjoy this TL more if you eased up on the Church-hating :rolleyes:. Sure, explore the ‘negatives’ but it would also be interesting to see the ‘positives’. After all, the world isn’t black-and-white. For example, explore the idea of church’s impact on the abolition of slavery (I think I’ve seen it discussed here that having more religious fever might result in earlier abolition). I’m also interested in the kidnaping of Indians you described to “better integrate [them] with their fellow Americans”. Although I am not very knowledgeable in the matter, it seems this ATL USA is more interested in integrating Indians into its society than the “kill them and take their land” OTL USA. So might there be better relations between Federal government and the “Christianized” tribes, resulting in less Indian-screw than OTL?

Also, what is the political structure of this ATL USA and how does it differ from the OTL one?
 
Good to hear Prime Minister. I think the TL is a good idea, but maybe flesh out he POD and where things changed more. It will have to be sometime before the actual ARW, some way of increasing religion in general in the colonies.
 
So you're going to actually develop a realistic timeline this time or just another ideological circlejerk?


One: You're the first person to complain. Well done.

Two: I haven't really touched on anything ideological at all yet, so I do not get what you mean by circlejerk.

Three: If you don't like it don't read it or respond. It saves us all some time.
 
Good to hear Prime Minister. I think the TL is a good idea, but maybe flesh out he POD and where things changed more. It will have to be sometime before the actual ARW, some way of increasing religion in general in the colonies.

Thank you Tukk. That is one of the things I was considering changing, as well as a longer Prolog explaining a few major events before the story starts off.
 
OK, I know that being religious is considered passé in modern western world and I am no fan of religious fanaticism but I would enjoy this TL more if you eased up on the Church-hating :rolleyes:. Sure, explore the ‘negatives’ but it would also be interesting to see the ‘positives’. After all, the world isn’t black-and-white. For example, explore the idea of church’s impact on the abolition of slavery (I think I’ve seen it discussed here that having more religious fever might result in earlier abolition). I’m also interested in the kidnaping of Indians you described to “better integrate [them] with their fellow Americans”. Although I am not very knowledgeable in the matter, it seems this ATL USA is more interested in integrating Indians into its society than the “kill them and take their land” OTL USA. So might there be better relations between Federal government and the “Christianized” tribes, resulting in less Indian-screw than OTL?
Also, what is the political structure of this ATL USA and how does it differ from the OTL one?
About 'integration', I believe attempts in OTL weren't exactly meant to be a permanent solution (Canada has started full heartedly going about the process of reparations just now for Residential School Victims). And I will point out that slavery had an extremely religious support base as well as whatever opposition it might have had.
 

Japhy

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One: You're the first person to complain. Well done.

Someone had to considering that this project is ridiculous. Also, I'm not.

Two: I haven't really touched on anything ideological at all yet, so I do not get what you mean by circlejerk.

The whole point if this is, "Imagine how awful it would be if America was like the US Right says it was." Thats all the timeline is. The plot that comes along with that is sparse, and illogical.

Three: If you don't like it don't read it or respond. It saves us all some time.

If you can't take criticism, you too can save time by not posting your timelines where anyone can read it.
 
Someone had to considering that this project is ridiculous. Also, I'm not.



The whole point if this is, "Imagine how awful it would be if America was like the US Right says it was." Thats all the timeline is. The plot that comes along with that is sparse, and illogical.



If you can't take criticism, you too can save time by not posting your timelines where anyone can read it.

Actually my interpretation was not that he wanted to show how America would be if was like the US right says it was, but what America would be like if God and an established church was actually placed into the Constitution (as many US right-wingers claim), when in fact it isn't.

No idea how he'll to get the founding fathers to agree on that though, since so many of them were more along the lines of being deists and they had seen the destruction caused by religious wars in Europe, two big reasons why they put freedom of religion there in the first place
 
The whole point if this is, "Imagine how awful it would be if America was like the US Right says it was." Thats all the timeline is. The plot that comes along with that is sparse, and illogical.



If you can't take criticism, you too can save time by not posting your timelines where anyone can read it.


I am not going to make America an awful place. The idea that A Theocratic America would automatically mean a dystopian history is not where my train of thought went. Yes I was inspired to write this when hearing some Republicans talk, but its not their exact image of America I was trying to capture.

Also, I can take criticism. In fact if you were to read my other main timeline you'll see me asking for some. I just would rather something constructive be said. And not just have my work referred too as an "ideological circlejerk".
 
OK, I know that being religious is considered passé in modern western world and I am no fan of religious fanaticism but I would enjoy this TL more if you eased up on the Church-hating :rolleyes:. Sure, explore the ‘negatives’ but it would also be interesting to see the ‘positives’. After all, the world isn’t black-and-white. For example, explore the idea of church’s impact on the abolition of slavery (I think I’ve seen it discussed here that having more religious fever might result in earlier abolition). I’m also interested in the kidnaping of Indians you described to “better integrate [them] with their fellow Americans”. Although I am not very knowledgeable in the matter, it seems this ATL USA is more interested in integrating Indians into its society than the “kill them and take their land” OTL USA. So might there be better relations between Federal government and the “Christianized” tribes, resulting in less Indian-screw than OTL?

Also, what is the political structure of this ATL USA and how does it differ from the OTL one?
Thank you. I was about to say the same myself. This thread makes it seem like all Christians are evil.
 
Thank you. I was about to say the same myself. This thread makes it seem like all Christians are evil.

how? Considering that every character with a few emptions in the Time Line are Christians and good people. And Other than a racist dick, I'm going pretty light on the treatment of the slaves and native people. How am I making it look like "all Christians are evil"?
 
how? Considering that every character with a few emptions in the Time Line are Christians and good people. And Other than a racist dick, I'm going pretty light on the treatment of the slaves and native people. How am I making it look like "all Christians are evil"?

Let me clarify, most of the comments, and some of the foreshadowing in the actual plot, some minor comments made too. I don't think it's a big deal with the overall story yet htough.

EDIT: Othewise not a bad TL
 
Let me clarify, most of the comments, and some of the foreshadowing in the actual plot, some minor comments made too. I don't think it's a big deal with the overall story yet htough.

EDIT: Othewise not a bad TL

It's not my intention to make Christians look bad. Or, Christianity in general. Also, thank you very much.
 
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