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TMP: The Motionless Picture.And TEV moves at a quick place with perhaps too much action, rather than the opposite (the fate of TMP).
Yeah, the clouds were a good effect.
An effect that went on and on and on and....
TMP: The Motionless Picture.And TEV moves at a quick place with perhaps too much action, rather than the opposite (the fate of TMP).
Well legally of course he gets both of those automatically except if they changed everything. What’s more interesting is which two people get the teleplay credit. Silverberg does have a case, given that a 51 page treatment for an 85 page script can be argued as a de facto script given the excessive size of the treatment—however they’ve changed enough of it that he won’t force arbitration unless Roddenberry really pisses him off lolSilverberg got a 'story by' credit and was paid for the commissioning of his treatment. His thoughts will be covered in TEV's reactions.
Given he's early in a career (and unlike Harlen Ellison isn't a professional jerk) I'd say he'd accept whatever is offered as long as he gets the fame enhancement that comes from having done Star Trek. Also Fontana won't want a repeat of what happened with City on the Edge of forever where she should have got at least a co-writer credit.Well legally of course he gets both of those automatically except if they changed everything. What’s more interesting is which two people get the teleplay credit. Silverberg does have a case, given that a 51 page treatment for an 85 page script can be argued as a de facto script given the excessive size of the treatment—however they’ve changed enough of it that he won’t force arbitration unless Roddenberry really pisses him off lol
Thanks! To go through your questions;Oh like this so far!
Shame about Kyle!
New Enterprise sounds good- how close to TMP is it when finally realised?
Is Engineering built or is it a model?
Working transporters would be nice!
Guess the extra at Science got a name in the novel?
More aliens or less?
Looking forward to pt2.
Still reading back on page 3, but wanted to show how the Star Fleet Universe did with TOS women's uniforms:Thanks! To go through your questions;
1. Not sure exactly you mean by this one? In terms of design, I’ve posted a few images of the Phase II Enterprise, it has the same design. The only big change I’ve made is the experimental warp drive.
2. Engineering is a set, you can see a picture of the real life phase II set under construction in the last update. It’s actually closer to the TNG one than TOS or TMP. (Or more accurately, the TNG one is based on the Phase II one.) So it’s a vertical, two floor room with an office wrapping around the bottom floor. I do really like the large, long, TOS set (it feels more believable to me as the second most important room on the ship to me than the smaller designs), but it was apparently too expensive to easily bring back.
Edit: She’s only been in the background so far, but Petty Officer Rand is the Transporter Chief on the ship, she’ll get a scene in the next part. Luckily, no accidents yet : )
3. Lieutenant Ersatz (German for replacement, they weren’t particular subtle here). As a named officer who wasn’t in the front credits and is in the way of the return of a primary character, well, let’s just say he’s going to have watch his step.
4. The Ticonderoga had a Vulcan Chief Engineer, and there are a few Vulcan extras on the Enterprise, but that’s about all they can afforded here. I’d include more, but even TMP with its piles of cash only had a few aliens.
Those images are good examples of non-miniskirt female uniforms. I have a costume update in the works (plenty of assignment patches to talk about) and that’ll be covered there as well. The Female main characters wear longer, two piece skirts, colored the same as the male paints. Some extras continue to wear Star Trek I outfits, and pants will be introduced fairly soon.Still reading back on page 3, but wanted to show how the Star Fleet Universe did with TOS women's uniforms:
Story wise, you can easily justify why there isn't a variety of aliens on the Enterprise and Starfleet still practices segregation on ships: legitimate environmental and dietary needs of various species of the Federation. Their science advisor should point this out that various members have different gravity they are use to as well as the amount of light and atmospheric pressure.
Another butterfly effect would be the TMP warp core can't be used for Voyager if that series is ever made.
So if I'm reading you right, even though there would be a more successful franchise, once Phase II is done in this timeline, you don't plan for there to have been any future live action shows?Those images are good examples of non-miniskirt female uniforms. I have a costume update in the works (plenty of assignment patches to talk about) and that’ll be covered there as well. The Female main characters wear longer, two piece skirts, colored the same as the male paints. Some extras continue to wear Star Trek I outfits, and pants will be introduced fairly soon.
Yeah, there are plenty of ways to avoid showing aliens onboard the ship. Luckily, TAA fills the humanoid and non humanoid alien ‘quota’, so it’s easy to say that there are plenty of aliens, they are just off camera.
No Star Trek property made after 1975 will be made ITTL (TNG, the movies, so on), butterfly effect and all. But Phase II definitely won’t be the end of the franchise. The TOS movies produced a good prop ‘library’ that the TNG-era took from all the time. Without it, Trek producers will have look elsewhere for props.
Whitney will be an occasional recurring character, similar to O’Brien in TNG. (I’ve merged the idea of her coming back occasionally from Phase II and her being the transporter chief from TMP. My logic being either Justman, Gerrold or Fontana suggest a more interesting part for her than Yeoman. She also fills the niche of being the only NCO shown so far. Not so sound like a broken record, but I’ve got an update planned for it.)@Mechadogzilla just thought to ask but with Grace Lee Whitney back on the show as (presumably) a regular are you planning to deal with the rape allegation? Obviously we still have no idea who did it (yes I know what's been alleged but there is no proof it was him) but would there have been any deal or at least apologies for the rug sweep and sacking in '66?
So if I'm reading you right, even though there would be a more successful franchise, once Phase II is done in this timeline, you don't plan for there to have been any future live action shows?
One gets rid of that rule of thumb real quick when one is on the receiving end of a false allegation...Whitney will be an occasional recurring character, similar to O’Brien in TNG. (I’ve merged the idea of her coming back occasionally from Phase II and her being the transporter chief from TMP. My logic being either Justman, Gerrold or Fontana suggest a more interesting part for her than Yeoman. She also fills the niche of being the only NCO shown so far. Not so sound like a broken record, but I’ve got an update planned for it.)
She was always willing to come back OTL, showing nothing but love for the franchise and her character. I’d say there was definitely an apology given and a promise to treat her more fairly this go around.
As for the rape allegation, it is way out of my league to publically speculate on. And truth be told it’s not something I really feel comfortable talking about. I’d say it’s a good rule of thumb to believe women, but there’s no real way to prove anything that took place a decade(s) ago. The very sad truth is, up until very recently men got away with quite a bit in Hollywood without punishment.
No, that is my fault for weird phrasing. I meant to say none of the spin offs produce in our timeline will be made in this one. TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC, along with all of three of the movie eras are butterflied away. Star Trek films and TV shows will continue to be made, just not the ones that were made in our timeline.
I’d really rather discussion of the allegations took place elsewhere.One gets rid of that rule of thumb real quick when one is on the receiving end of a false allegation...
The TMP Decker/Ilia story line can't be recycled for TNG if it is played out in Phase II, so that part would be out anyway. Also, wasn't TNG a way for Gene to take back control of Star Trek that he lost so much of during the movies? So if that didn't happen, I'd definitely see an entirely different spinoff after Phase II.
Further up the page, I do like the white color for the consoles as the greys were way to drab from TMP.
I have no intention of talking about it at all as I know nothing about it or even that there was one before a few hours ago.I’d really rather discussion of the allegations took place elsewhere.
Yeah, exactly. That’s what I mean when I say future projects can’t be made as OTL, because they wouldn’t be made that way if Phase II happened.
I personally love the aesthetic of the Phase II Enterprise. Part of the inspiration to make OTNP in fact.
That was the plan OTL but here its year's earlier and back on an NBC that realised its mistake (just not to the extent of giving lots of money for it). Also if that's an eaglemoss model I'm sure the pics look nice but then you get the final version and there are always so many annoying mistakes.I have no intention of talking about it at all as I know nothing about it or even that there was one before a few hours ago.
Again, I'm still catching up with the rest of the thread, but is Phase II production related to the idea that Paramount wanted to make a Fourth Network and this would be their flagship program?
Here is model of one they sale based on the Phase II Enterprise:
You got it. NBC picks it up for a few reasons. It’s years earlier and Paramount is just not as confident in Star Trek, and they just went through a major leadership shakeup. The idea of starting their own network is still there, but they need to get on solid ground first. All of that is OTL.That was the plan OTL but here its year's earlier and back on an NBC that realised its mistake (just not to the extent of giving lots of money for it). Also if that's an eaglemoss model I'm sure the pics look nice but then you get the final version and there are always so many annoying mistakes.
Episode Number | Episode Title |
1 | The Tripart Battle |
2 | Shuttlecraft 9 |
3 | The Child |
4 | The Return of Kor, Part I |
5 | The Rise of the Kitumba, Part II |
6 | The Savage Syndrome |
7 | Cassandra |
8 | Five Centuries Later |
9 | Kirk and Kennedy |
10 | Practice In Walking |
11 | Hippocratic Oath |
12 | Ave, Consul, Part I |
13 | Ave, Imperator, Part II |