One world government - what would it take?

[ric350]

A common thread in many science fiction stories is earth united under a single government or organization (e.g., the current show "The Expanse").

What events would need to transpire for nationalism to be replaced by a "one world" government or governing body? By this I mean changes driven by humanity and not alien invasions!

Ric350

 

[nyar]

At this point in time I'm afraid only a drastic drop in population and a radical change in the overall mental state of humanity would be necessary. Maybe a pandemic that wiped out 99% of the human race, especially anyone over the age of puberty. Given the damage done by testosterone driven men aggressively seeking power, mates and status, I would say a 10 to one ratio of females to males for the survivors. Perhaps a permanent mental and physical retardation of all males forcing females to take over leadership roles and hard labor. No usable pool of obedient male slave labor. Too easy to use them as mook cannon fodder. Only good for light labor and eye candy. Given how men have consistently messed things for their own selfish purposes in the past I don't see any other way. Sort of Uganda after the genocide on steroids.

Of course that's for a positive one world government. To get a dystopia like the Expanse just continue lying to the people and feed them bread and circuses. Easy.

 

[MichiganNationalist1837]

At this point in time I'm afraid only a drastic drop in population and a radical change in the overall mental state of humanity would be necessary. Maybe a pandemic that wiped out 99% of the human race, especially anyone over the age of puberty. Given the damage done by testosterone driven men aggressively seeking power, mates and status, I would say a 10 to one ratio of females to males for the survivors. Perhaps a permanent mental and physical retardation of all males forcing females to take over leadership roles and hard labor. No usable pool of obedient male slave labor. Too easy to use them as mook cannon fodder. Only good for light labor and eye candy. Given how men have consistently messed things for their own selfish purposes in the past I don't see any other way. Sort of Uganda after the genocide on steroids.

Of course that's for a positive one world government. To get a dystopia like the Expanse just continue lying to the people and feed them bread and circuses. Easy.

How is that positive in any way?

 

[The Great Krigare]

At this point in time I'm afraid only a drastic drop in population and a radical change in the overall mental state of humanity would be necessary. Maybe a pandemic that wiped out 99% of the human race, especially anyone over the age of puberty. Given the damage done by testosterone driven men aggressively seeking power, mates and status, I would say a 10 to one ratio of females to males for the survivors. Perhaps a permanent mental and physical retardation of all males forcing females to take over leadership roles and hard labor. No usable pool of obedient male slave labor. Too easy to use them as mook cannon fodder. Only good for light labor and eye candy. Given how men have consistently messed things for their own selfish purposes in the past I don't see any other way. Sort of Uganda after the genocide on steroids.

Of course that's for a positive one world government. To get a dystopia like the Expanse just continue lying to the people and feed them bread and circuses. Easy.

Erm... what? I'm sorry, but that is just wrong. For starters, your first scenario is not positive whatsoever. Women, surprise surprise, are not different enough from men that they would govern differently. They are just as selfish as men, and just as aggressive. Women and men are still in the same species, they are different only in a few ways that are mostly physical. Mentally, they are not different. Men can be pacifists, and women can be diehard imperialists. What is really needed for this scenario, instead of your genocidal plague that leaves 10 times as many women as men, is a state dominant enough to enforce its will on the whole world, while having the desire to own it all. The U.S.A. right after World War II fills the dominant requirement, but not the desire. I suppose that if there is a communist takeover of continental Europe, that the US may gain the desire to bring the world under its banner to remove every trace of communism. Even then, the chances are extraordinarily slim.

 

[Anaxagoras]

I fear it would require an existential threat to the whole human race. The closest we ever came to anything like a one world government (and it frankly wasn't very close at all) was in the idealistic early days of the UN in 1945. That came about only because of the seemingly unified stand that so many nations took against the threat of the Axis in World War II and it fell apart pretty quickly.

So, you'd need a massive environmental catastrophe or nuclear holocaust or alien invasion or some other such thing.

 

[Decius00009]

One wouldn't need an invasion, mere intelligent contact with another sapient intelligent alien species would be enough to spur the nations to unite in some form. It would probably take the form of an enhanced US, and not because America is the dominant power, but it is a very practical way of having different cultures and traditions beneath the same umbrella.

 

[CalBear]

At this point in time I'm afraid only a drastic drop in population and a radical change in the overall mental state of humanity would be necessary. Maybe a pandemic that wiped out 99% of the human race, especially anyone over the age of puberty. Given the damage done by testosterone driven men aggressively seeking power, mates and status, I would say a 10 to one ratio of females to males for the survivors. Perhaps a permanent mental and physical retardation of all males forcing females to take over leadership roles and hard labor. No usable pool of obedient male slave labor. Too easy to use them as mook cannon fodder. Only good for light labor and eye candy. Given how men have consistently messed things for their own selfish purposes in the past I don't see any other way. Sort of Uganda after the genocide on steroids.

Of course that's for a positive one world government. To get a dystopia like the Expanse just continue lying to the people and feed them bread and circuses. Easy.

I'm going to assume that this is trolling. Otherwise I'd have to Ban you.

Don't press your luck upon your return.

 

[A Most Sovereign Lady]

A hive mind? Owing to the intrinsic philosophical, religious, and political opinion differences from one mile to the next, much less the entire world. I'm not trolling etc, it'd take a pretty drastic change in the situational thinking of all mankind to submit to a single government where they think everyone's needs and cultural mores are being listened to or properly represented.

 

[Ace-Royale]

I think some sort of external threat against the entire Human race is necessary for all of Earth to unify against, which in turn spurs the development of a collective "Human" identity. Maybe a plague ala Spanish flu that threatens to destroy the world, or genocidal aliens, or whatever. Humans are tribalistic by nature and have an "us vs them" mindset, which has currently expanded to the nation-state in state vs state conflicts. Now we need to expand that further.

After an extended period of time under this united Earth government, possibly a generation fighting off alien invasion or whatever, perhaps the planet can begin to regard themselves as humans (as a group) rather than the divisions they categorize themselves into right now.

 

[NamelesStatistic]

At this point in time I'm afraid only a drastic drop in population and a radical change in the overall mental state of humanity would be necessary. Maybe a pandemic that wiped out 99% of the human race, especially anyone over the age of puberty. Given the damage done by testosterone driven men aggressively seeking power, mates and status, I would say a 10 to one ratio of females to males for the survivors. Perhaps a permanent mental and physical retardation of all males forcing females to take over leadership roles and hard labor. No usable pool of obedient male slave labor. Too easy to use them as mook cannon fodder. Only good for light labor and eye candy. Given how men have consistently messed things for their own selfish purposes in the past I don't see any other way. Sort of Uganda after the genocide on steroids.

Of course that's for a positive one world government. To get a dystopia like the Expanse just continue lying to the people and feed them bread and circuses. Easy.

That is perhaps the most hair-brained thing I have ever read on this website (and it is a deep pool of competition). Congratulations! Your award should arrive in 8 to 10 business days. Please enjoy your lifetime supply of catfood and tinfoil responsibly.

 

[naraic]

A common thread in many science fiction stories is earth united under a single government or organization (e.g., the current show "The Expanse").

What events would need to transpire for nationalism to be replaced by a "one world" government or governing body? By this I mean changes driven by humanity and not alien invasions!

Ric350

Star Trek had two global war on Earth (Eugenics Wars; 1992-1996) and World War III (2026-2053). I believe that a similar stressful even would be needed to see us looking at a united earth government.

 

[Tovarich]

Please enjoy your lifetime supply of catfood and tinfoil responsibly.

Heh, I could do with both of those (got cats, eat a lot of grilled food.)

Seriously though, I think Cal' made the right call for a kick rather than a ban.

Myself, I'd even have suggested a warning rather than a kick, because of this site's expanded definition of 'trolling'.

Anyway, full reply in Spillover, once I've written it (am very slow two-fingered typist!)

 

[KuboCaskett]

I think it would take at least either a few massive world wars (that aren't too nuclear) or some world changing natural disaster to get a leading world power to "own" the world, usually the United States; a WWIII in the 50's or a WWII similar to AANW would easily do the trick IMO when it comes to the former. As for the latter, I'm not sure but something along the lines of Evangelion (minus supernatural beings) would work too.

 

[Wallet]

WWIII breaks out in 1945 and lasts until 1950 with several atomic bombshell dropped on Europe, Japan, and Russia.

The US basically becomes world leader with the UN as a giant world police force. No dictators allowed. The Dollar gets adopted to a world currency and free trade is global.

 

[Alcsentre Calanice]

Operarion Unthinkable takes place, the Soviet Union is defeated and the United Nations are firmly controlled by the US, the last world power? Without the Cold War, the UN is much more efficient and actually achieves its goals, i. e. world peace and international cooperation.

Also, with the fall of the communist and fascist states, most members of the UN are democracies so the UN really represents all humans on earth.

 

[TC9078]

Operarion Unthinkable takes place, the Soviet Union is defeated and the United Nations are firmly controlled by the US, the last world power? Without the Cold War, the UN is much more efficient and actually achieves its goals, i. e. world peace and international cooperation.

Also, with the fall of the communist and fascist states, most members of the UN are democracies so the UN really represents all humans on earth.

Um... unless somehow the nationalists are facing total victory in China there is no way in hell the US (or WAllies in general) are going to come out of that on top. They just finished a massive war and are in no shape to even try fighting another one. The only country that has waves of men enough to throw at the Russians in return at this point is China (since I doubt India would be willing to throw their population at Russia) and, again, unless the nationalists are facing total victory by the end of WWII, Operation Unthinkable is just going to result in Unthinkable levels of destruction worldwide, and all hail the global revolution.

 

[rpc]

If the pothole in front of my house needs to be fixed, will the world government take care of it?

 

[ric350]

I was thinking that we may have come close to an opportunity after WW2, except for Stalin. What if Russia had a leader more like Churchill during the war (POD - after Lenin, tired of the oppression/tyranny, a more "liberal" leader takes control). Not wanting to chance another world war ever again (now with atom bombs available), the allies decide it's time to dump nationalism and unite.

Ric350

 

[CelticTwilight]

If the pothole in front of my house needs to be fixed, will the world government take care of it?

Does your current national government fix potholes in front of your house? I know that there's no federal department of pothole repair here in the U.S.

 

[rpc]

Does your current national government fix potholes in front of your house? I know that there's no federal department of pothole repair here in the U.S.

OK, so I guess local subdivisions of the World Government would still exist. But if they don't fix it, can I keep appealing up the chain of command until the World Dictator finally agrees with me and orders them to fix it?