On the discovery of the Americas...

One big, big thing about these "reenactment" voyages: the participants have the huge advantage of already knowing where they were going... They already know the Americas are out there.

The "Ra" proving the Canary current can take you West doesn't have anything to say about ancient Egyptians getting back home. Remember: it is only a "discovery" if you make it back home and live to tell the tale.

Brendan? The tale is generally considered a religious allegory.
Again, a "reenactment" voyage by a crew who knew where they were going shows nothing more than that a boat, supposedly built upon the lines of craft of Brendan's time might have been seaworthy enough to make a transatlantic voyage, and little else.

We do know that Irish monks did, in fact, make it to Iceland a few decades ahead of the Norse in the 9th C.

Brendan of the two sounds like the one with the better chance of returning. as you say knowing where you are going is a big advantage. No doubt many people using the craft of the time would fail, but some might succeed.
 
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One big, big thing about these "reenactment" voyages: the participants have the huge advantage of already knowing where they were going... They already know the Americas are out there.

The "Ra" proving the Canary current can take you West doesn't have anything to say about ancient Egyptians getting back home. Remember: it is only a "discovery" if you make it back home and live to tell the tale.

I was thinking that, too. It's anybody's guess how many people traveled from Europe or Africa to the Americas. If they don't make it back and don't chart what they find, it's a dead end.

The other thing about recreated voyages is that the sailors not only know what to look for, but how long they can expect the trip to take, the climate along the way, and what supplies to take. It could well be that there were voyages, accidental or premeditated, where the crew of the vessel died of starvation, hypothermia, or just simply caught a lethal storm because they sailed during the wrong month.
 
Brendan of the two sound like the one with the better chance of returning. as you say knowing where you are going is a big advantage. No doubt many people using the craft of the time would fail, but some might succeed.

If they did, it was of no consequence to the vaster scheme of things. Nothing effected in European history. Nothing effected in the Americas. If there were returning survivors, their stories made no impact in terms of inspiring follow-through.

As was talked about in the Rome Crossing Atlantic thread, you need a good reason to be making transatlantic voyages and you need a base infrastructure (a tech kit suited to long bluewater voyages, knowledge, incrementally arrived at of winds and currents of the Atlantic, forward logistic bases, etc.) to support it. The Norse and the Portuguese (for example) had these things. As did the Polynesians in the other side of the Planet.

But going back to the OPs original question: what consequences would occur if the Americas were discovered by people in the Old World prior to OTL? By discovery, the intent is a sustainable knowledge of the Americas existence obtained by the Old Worlders. Not one-way accidents.
It is possible to wank up the Norse contribution to this. I could see Iberians discovery the Americas a few decades earlier in the 15th C. It is even possible that a Polynesian discovery (more possible in my mind then many of the scenarios employing Atlantic cultures) via the Pacific eventually gets transmitted back across the Pacific to other cultures, probably most likely through SE Asia (Im looking at you Indonesians, Malays, Chinese, and Indians). How does this effect the course of history?
 
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I think I recall reading about a Chinese chronicle (ca. 800 AD??) Which made some kind of exploration of the west coast and was able to return. The distance given was appropriate. The route apparently followed the Aleutians and then south. The account mentions a place with enormous trees, which certainly sounds like northern California. Of course, there would've been little financial or political reason for a continuing exploration.
 
I think I recall reading about a Chinese chronicle (ca. 800 AD??) Which made some kind of exploration of the west coast and was able to return. The distance given was appropriate. The route apparently followed the Aleutians and then south. The account mentions a place with enormous trees, which certainly sounds like northern California. Of course, there would've been little financial or political reason for a continuing exploration.

You are likely referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusang
The tale also mentioned this land as having a bronze age culture, that it had horses, and that the inhabitants milked deer.
Pretty conclusively refuted.
 
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