On the Asssassins...

What happens to them if the Mongols invasion in the 1250s never happens?

Syria's branch may still be doomed, but Iran may be different.

I'm not sure what a good search term for this is, so if its already been discussed, could someone mention where?

If not, thoughts?
 
What happens to them if the Mongols invasion in the 1250s never happens?

Syria's branch may still be doomed, but Iran may be different.

I'm not sure what a good search term for this is, so if its already been discussed, could someone mention where?

If not, thoughts?

from what I read, they where fine stealth killers

my guess sooner or later one of the ruler of the east would want to get rid of them
 

PhilippeO

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isn't Aga Khan descended from Assassins ?


from the fate of other fanatical movement (Kharjites > Ibadi ), it seems natural that if survive, any movement including Assassins will mellowed out and become ordinary sect, at peace with its neighbour.
 
isn't Aga Khan descended from Assassins ?


from the fate of other fanatical movement (Kharjites > Ibadi ), it seems natural that if survive, any movement including Assassins will mellowed out and become ordinary sect, at peace with its neighbour.

They had already did by the time of the Mongol invasion.

Also, rememeber they were not only a sect and a group of killers but also an organized political entity with fortresses, a small army, and a structured hierarchical leadership.
Much depends on how their relationships with the Khwarezmshahi or whoever is the top military power in Iran at the time evolve, politcally-wise. IOTL, the local Sunni rulers practically had begged the Mongols to rid them of the Ismailis, but there were times they allied with Sunni dynasties.

Yes, the Ismaili followers of the Aga Khans can be traced back to the Nizari Ismailism of the Assassins.
 
They had their "state" if you will just inland from the County of Tripoli, so they weren't merely some shadowy sect even if their methods were unconventional. I like how one stabbed Saladin in the head, but it was deflected by the mail cap he wore under his turban.
 
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