Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles
- Thread starter Lascaris
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Nope. It is a misinterpretation by US Cold War propaganda.
What Stalin really said (in Kennan's summation):
Puppetisation is possible but anymore annexations would be surprising to me. The Greeks have taken what they wanted for the most part. I could see them making sure they control Sazan Island with a base there but that’s about it. If they wanted more they’d already have taken it.
There has not been a final postwar land dispensation yet, the Paris Peace Conference has not even started .
Looks like Vietnam has a serious capitalist/anti-communist contender ittl. Considering that he's in the south rn, I think its possible that we either get a North and South Vietnam, or maybe he conquers the whole country and rules from Saigon.
Now I think Vietnam's prob going to go a very different way from otl due to his survival and subsequent rebellion against the French. Will we see the Americans tell the french to fuck off as China becomes communist (if we follow otl) and it shifts into a civil war where the Americans will be seen as allies by the Vietnamese?
The fate of Vietnam really is quite dependent on the rest of the world. With the Koreas probably going to war as per otl, would America be more focused on them, and tell the French to get off South Vietnam's back so that they could focus on Korea and Yugoslavia? Would America be able to focus on China unlike otl?
I'm not surprised that that's the case. The main problem is that the British and French would be a lot more focused on this war than on the Korean war that's probably going to happen, while the Americans would look at the Chinese civil war in fear (if the ROC commits the same mistakes as otl).
Syria going under and Alawia (my working name for the alawite state) being the main battlegrounds would probably make lebanon intervene than not. And that's not mentioning the Assyrians, which are still stuck in Syria and would need help to get out. I really do think the Assyrians would settle in Lebanon at the end, which would be highly useful to the nascent Christian state. One thing I can see in Lebanon is reviving Classical Syriac gaining more traction as the Assyrians come in with Assyrian, which is a lot closer to Syriac than Arabic for obvious reasons.
PS I could imagine the ROC doing not as bad if Chiang is incapacitated/dead and Li Zongren manages to get enough power to fight the CCP. Li Zongren was an interesting character who's every different than chiang (maybe he'd be more reconsolitory? He liked fascism though) and would make for an interesting alternate ROC whether he succeeds in holding Guangdong or not. I'd imagine that he would've been fought much more against the CCP if he had full control though instead of having to deal with Chiang.
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It was a small miracle old Marcel Dassault survived in OTL. So kept on the path of least resistance plausibility wise which is Marcel not surviving. What does this mean for the French aviation industry? I have some long term ideas but you people are free to speculate. 😇So that means no Dassault Aviation ITTL?😭
I should note that this was what the Greek government was proposing in OTL. Most of the British government and Eden in particular preferred to cling to the island instead.
Spain also has tripartisme to steal the French term. Taking sides openly won't make happy either the former loyalists or the former nationalists or both...
Who said anything about taking sides openly?
"- How did these German artillery pieces of our army end up in Serbia? "
"- I know nothing about that, we have sold them to an Irish company as scrap metal... "
What the Greeks got in 1921 already contained the entirety of their 1919 claims. Getting more would be clearly counterproductive. He'll one could argue that what the already got was counterproductive in the sense of large scale Albanian collaboration with the Axis and what happens in the present civil war, where Hoxha is using the Nationalist card to beat up his enemies. But then it is not as if any Greek gains north of the 1881 border would not had caused nationalist reaction in Albania...
Is there a reason his fate is plausibly different from OTL?
Well I guess perhaps not, but I don't honestly remember if you have significantly changed the state of the Second Sino-Japanese, particularly the Battle of Changsha and the associated counteroffensive where he perished.
Nothing particularly good. The army of the independent state of Croatia got crushed in the final offensives of the Balkan front. Neither Yugoslav government has any reason to accommodate the Ustashe leadership. And TTL even the ratlines to Argentina are likely more difficult as Spain has reasons to be hostile...
Though the question is the role of the Croatian Peasants Party in all this.
By this point 5he HSS is in tatters paying Macek's I activity earlier in the war. The party itself has splintered with many joining the partisans and even more the ustasha. Now the government in Belgrade has reason to want it on each side if just for propaganda reasons but the fact remains that Croatia at the moment is firmly controlled by the Communists.