Odds of Pakistan 'Winning' any of the Indo Pakistan Wars

That map puts at least four major religions inside a single state. How long did it take nations like the US, modern France, Britain, Germany, ect... to achieve a nonviolent level of religious tolerance? If AS Bats had enabled Idia to reach these borders today how many more decades before the religious leaders settled down and stopped inciting massacres?
 

longsword14

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That map puts at least four major religions inside a single state. How long did it take nations like the US, modern France, Britain, Germany, ect... to achieve a nonviolent level of religious tolerance? If AS Bats had enabled Idia to reach these borders today how many more decades before the religious leaders settled down and stopped inciting massacres?
Ignore it. It is borderline conspiracy nonsense.
Imagine loonies in Mexico colouring parts of California.
 
The maps makes sense if you see the colors are levels of 'regions of interest' & not part of a Indian state. In that context it is incomplete as the east coast of Africa and the Middle east are of influence or interest in Indian affairs
 
Wow. Bigoted much?

You make a fairly ludicrous claim that Muslims routinely and historically wipe out all non-Muslims in any area they conquer (this will come as a remarkable surprise to the population of around 1/3 of Spain, who will be blinking out of existence since there ancestors were wiped out, along with the population of Pakistan itself that will pretty much disappear in a flash of light) and back it up with an opinion blog post that is itself remarkably bigoted.

Kicked for a week. You would be well advised to keep your bigotry off the board when you return.

1/3 seems low, they had everything but the north coast at one point.
 
Pakistan taking control of Hindu-majority Jammu would be deeply counterproductive, as it would lead to a massive wave of Hindu terrorism, perhaps coming from ethnically and linguistically similar Himachal Pradesh.

Jammu really shouldn’t be lumped with Kashmir and Ladakh, and the only reason Jammu is not the northernmost region of Himachal Pradesh is because of silly colonial borders.
 

longsword14

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One too high. One too low.

As a bear, I know the story on this. Sounds like it was just right.
Part of the reason the moriscoes got outright banished well after the complete destruction of muslim rule was the fact that the numbers had decreased drastically.
Expelling 1/3 was not practical immediately after finishing the conquest.
The final expulsion happened more than a century later.
 
Forget terrorism, India would simply invade territory in Pakistan to get it back. Expect a lot of wars.

It depends. What is the state of India at this point? If it is facing Pakistan-style instability and/or a larger Naxalite insurgency, that makes Pakistan more likely to win a war against India (though I think it is very difficult to do that), the people of Jammu would have to take things into their own hands.

It all depends on why Pakistan won a war with India.
 

longsword14

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It depends. What is the state of India at this point? If it is facing Pakistan-style instability and/or a larger Naxalite insurgency, that makes Pakistan more likely to win a war against India (though I think it is very difficult to do that), the people of Jammu would have to take things into their own hands.

It all depends on why Pakistan won a war with India.
What Pakistan style instability?
None of the instabilities in Pakistan outright managed to get away. Instabilities in India would mean the government losing power, not the political system dissolving.
The naxalites are incapable of actually doing anything to the centre.
Therefore, India would not fall apart. Such a crisis would only bring greater unity, which would definitely lead to a war being declared as soon as possible.
What is much more likely is that in any ceasefire arrangement Jammu would go with India and Kashmir to Pakistan. That would be for the best.
 

Tovarich

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Hindustani nationalists have long argued two things, one that India should expand to its natural borders

Indian cultural extent
Dark orange: The Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal and Bhutan).
Light orange: Southeast Asia culturally linked to India, notably Burma, Tibet, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Champa (Southern Vietnam), Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore.
Yellow: Regions with significant Indian cultural influence, notably Afghanistan, China's Yunnan, the Philippines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India

Also that Muslims might not be apart of that state. Make of that of what you will.

Heheh, 'expanding' into Vietnam would be fun (for a TL, not IRL).

Kicked China's arse, kicked America's arse, would they get to keep the trophy after a hat-trick?
 

Ak-84

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If you offered Indian leaders TODAY, a “Pakistan style” instability, they would kiss your feet and take it. India in OTL has over a dozen insurgencies and little control over a third of its territory. Pakistan has trouble in a few districts on the Afghan border. That gets attention since the US is involved.
 

longsword14

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they would kiss your feet and take it.
Not really, no. Naxalites have been an issue for quite some time, and even long ago nobody would have wanted it let lone "kiss your feet".
"A little over third of the country" is a hilarious estimate.
Paksitan's "instability" is also a very bad estimate done by foreign observers with no understanding of the region or the social structure.
 

longsword14

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What about Dravidian nationalism increasing in the aftermath of a war?
Any dubious attempt at it would only be dampened in spirits due to a war.
The center had already managed to accomodate regional areas in the south with states along linguist lines and autonomy along cultural lines. The only protests that happened were for even smaller areas based on linguistic lines, see Andhra, Telangana etc.
Kannada, Telugu, Tamil and Malayalam are the languages of the south and each has a state of its own.
 
Any dubious attempt at it would only be dampened in spirits due to a war.
The center had already managed to accomodate regional areas in the south with states along linguist lines and autonomy along cultural lines. The only protests that happened were for even smaller areas based on linguistic lines, see Andhra, Telangana etc.
Kannada, Telugu, Tamil and Malayalam are the languages of the south and each has a state of its own.
The Dravidian separatism is dead and buried to serve any practical purpose. The Dravidianism even in its active days had some support only among the Tamils. The Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam speakers were not interested in the idea of a Dravidanadu. The Tamils who had some enthusiasm were also disappointed by the scorn of the other South Indians to the idea. The Dravida Munnetra Kazhagom, the party which advocated the idea of a separate Dravidian homeland later came to power in Tamilnadu. When they tasted the fruits of political power they too dropped the original demand. The DMK split into two factions DMK under Karunanidhi and AIADMK under M.G. Ramachandran and later Jayalalitha. Both parties allied with the national parties, the Congress and the BJP to fight each other. Both the Dravidian parties have alternated in power in Tamilnadu and also shared power with one or the other national party at the Union level in Delhi. The DMK had dropped the demand for a separate Dravidanadu some fifty years ago when they captured power in Tamilnadu for the first time.
 
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