Obscure Dynastic Unions: Palatinate-Tuscany

Susano

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So, to once again enter the dynastic business. Cant be that Nek dominates the market, there needs to be some competition :D

And to up the obscurity level, its not about kingdoms or great powers!
John William, Prince-Elector of the Palatinate was married in second marriage to Anna Maria Luisa de Medici. Now, John William's first marriage had been withouit (livbing) children, while Anna Marias brother Gian Gastone also had no children, making Anna Maria his heir. IOTL, John Williams and Anna Marias marriage also remained without children, and the Tuscany was given by the great powers to House Lorraine in compensation for losing the Duchy of Lorraine to France.

But what if the two had a son, uniting the Palatinate and Tuscany in personal union?
 
Question: If the Neuburg Line remains on the throne in the Palatinate do they still inherit Bavaria in 1777?

I'm not so sure however if this potential dynastic union would be able to hang on to Tuscany. Perhaps as a result of the Dynastic Union, the Palatinate enters the war of Polish Succession on the side of Austria giving them a better result thereby creating conditions in which they could maintain control of Tuscany.
 

Susano

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Yes, theres the problem on wether the Great Powers aill accept Anna Maria as heiress. They didnt IOTL. For the sake of the TL Id assume it, though...

As for the Bavarian inheritance, eh, that would depend on butterflies, I guess.
 
So, to once again enter the dynastic business. Cant be that Nek dominates the market, there needs to be some competition :D

And to up the obscurity level, its not about kingdoms or great powers!
John William, Prince-Elector of the Palatinate was married in second marriage to Anna Maria Luisa de Medici. Now, John William's first marriage had been withouit (livbing) children, while Anna Marias brother Gian Gastone also had no children, making Anna Maria his heir. IOTL, John Williams and Anna Marias marriage also remained without children, and the Tuscany was given by the great powers to House Lorraine in compensation for losing the Duchy of Lorraine to France.

But what if the two had a son, uniting the Palatinate and Tuscany in personal union?

You can just say Johann Wilhelm. It's a lot more confusing when you use English names. I keep hearing the theme for Star Wars.
 
It would be interesting if due to butterflies the son of John William is married to Elisabeth Farnese, providing an union of Tuscany and Parma-Piacenza. Could we have the Italian unification started under the Wittelsbachs?
 
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Susano

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Good god, that actually works. John Williams (sorry, Abdul, general policy of mine to translate monarch names ;) ) Marriage with Anna Maria Medici was 1691, and Elisabeth Farnese was born in 1692... of course just Tuscany and Parma is no Italian unification yet. They do not even border each other...
 
Good god, that actually works. John Williams (sorry, Abdul, general policy of mine to translate monarch names ;) ) Marriage with Anna Maria Medici was 1691, and Elisabeth Farnese was born in 1692... of course just Tuscany and Parma is no Italian unification yet. They do not even border each other...

Well, they would have Modena between them, and it would make the D'Este very angry and looking for protectors. Who was the greater enemy of Palatinate at that time?
 

Susano

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Well, they would have Modena between them, and it would make the D'Este very angry and looking for protectors. Who was the greater enemy of Palatinate at that time?

I dont think they really had much of an eternal enemy. Their cousins in Bavaria maybe, about the Upper Palatinate. The irony of course is that the next heir after Anna Maria Medici is Elisabeth Farnese, so for earlier unification this proposed union would even be in the way.

I mean, I write this to get into the mood for Royal Knokcout again, and there a possible scenarui was Sicily-Naples-Tuscany-Milan-Parma ;)
 
I mean, I write this to get into the mood for Royal Knokcout again, and there a possible scenarui was Sicily-Naples-Tuscany-Milan-Parma ;)

Sure, the Italian "semi-unification" caused by dynastical marriages coolness. Write more chapters now!!!:p
 

Susano

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Sure, the Italian "semi-unification" caused by dynastical marriages coolness. Write more chapters now!!!:p

I do. Just finished the 6th Austrian-Ottoman War of 1705-1710. BeforeI post i also want to finish the War of the German Alliance, though. Aaand, its more likely Ill give the Tuscany-Palatinate option the preference.
 
Good god, that actually works. John Williams (sorry, Abdul, general policy of mine to translate monarch names ;) ) Marriage with Anna Maria Medici was 1691, and Elisabeth Farnese was born in 1692... of course just Tuscany and Parma is no Italian unification yet. They do not even border each other...

Then it should be Anne Mary Medici and Elizabeth Farnese. And from now on, the Ottoman Sultans are Solomon & Abraham, not Suleyman and Ibrahim. We've got King Hubert of Italy, the current John Charles of Spain...
 

Susano

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Then it should be Anne Mary Medici and Elizabeth Farnese. And from now on, the Ottoman Sultans are Solomon & Abraham, not Suleyman and Ibrahim. We've got King Hubert of Italy, the current John Charles of Spain...

Ah, good point about Mary. Hubert is no English name anymore, but I do agree about King John Charles - people seem to have forgotten in this century that monarchical names are usually translated. That after all was normal in early modern age and also the middle ages, and still is with papal names, for example.
 
I do. Just finished the 6th Austrian-Ottoman War of 1705-1710. BeforeI post i also want to finish the War of the German Alliance, though. Aaand, its more likely Ill give the Tuscany-Palatinate option the preference.

Good! With Palatinate-Tuscany and Spain-Bavaria you are creating a Wittelsbach wank!:p
 

Leo Caesius

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Hubert is no English name anymore,
Of course it is. Look at Hubert H. Humphrey (former Democratic Presidential nominee), Berkeley prof Hubert Dreyfus, Rep. Hubert Vo (the only Asian American in the Texas Lege), explorer Hubert Wilkins... the list goes on and on.
 

Susano

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Of course it is. Look at Hubert H. Humphrey (former Democratic Presidential nominee), Berkeley prof Hubert Dreyfus, Rep. Hubert Vo (the only Asian American in the Texas Lege), explorer Hubert Wilkins... the list goes on and on.

*concedes point*
So King Humbert of Italy, eh? Well, then, it does sound strange, but apparently its valid.
 
Ah, good point about Mary. Hubert is no English name anymore, but I do agree about King John Charles - people seem to have forgotten in this century that monarchical names are usually translated. That after all was normal in early modern age and also the middle ages, and still is with papal names, for example.

You just have to decide if your a leftist or a conservative, since the modern convention is to leave names alone. I don't ever find references to William II - it's always Wilhelm II. Even Wikipedia says so.:eek: Or it sounds weird to refer to Louis II of Bavaria. People would just respond with a blank stare if you said "Mad King Louis".

But seriously, it's always been a fairly irregular convention. For instance, French monarchs rarely have their names altered - Jean, not John, etc. Of course it's helped that most French names are spelled the same way, Charles and Charles, Louis and Louis, even when they're pronounced differently.
 
You just have to decide if your a leftist or a conservative, since the modern convention is to leave names alone. I don't ever find references to William II - it's always Wilhelm II. Even Wikipedia says so.:eek: Or it sounds weird to refer to Louis II of Bavaria. People would just respond with a blank stare if you said "Mad King Louis".

But seriously, it's always been a fairly irregular convention. For instance, French monarchs rarely have their names altered - Jean, not John, etc. Of course it's helped that most French names are spelled the same way, Charles and Charles, Louis and Louis, even when they're pronounced differently.
Well, it might be different in German. I know we up in the North refer to many French kings as Ludvig (insert number here), so...
 
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