Obama's birth certificate is really fake

I am personally free market, so the bailouts and the stimulus package weren't a good thing.

You do know that if there were no bailout or stimulus packages multiple corporations like AIG, Citigroup, Chase, and the big three American automakers (they're going down anyway, but without the stimulus they're going to go down much harder and with no restructuring) would go bankrupt. If these banks went out of business, shockwaves would result in other companies declaring bankruptcy. You would see this recession be at least 3 times worse then it is now.
 
Saddam was also linked to the KGB. Mitrokhin archives say it all.

And if Saddam was an American puppet, then why in '91 were there tonnes of type 59 tanks, Mig 29s, T-55s, T-72s and Mi24s all over the place during the Gulf war?

Basically, everyone on the security council wanted to prevent Totalitarian theocracy, no matter the cost.
 
Saddam was also linked to the KGB. Mitrokhin archives say it all.

And if Saddam was an American puppet, then why in '91 were there tonnes of type 59 tanks, Mig 29s, T-55s, T-72s and Mi24s all over the place during the Gulf war?

Basically, everyone on the security council wanted to prevent Totalitarian theocracy, no matter the cost.

I'm not saying he wasn't, but he started out as one.

To me your coming up with tenious arguments to support your sterotypical statements (cowardly Canadians, rubbish French military et all.)
 
You're reading the ame thread as the rest of us? Cause the first three posts completely thrashed the OP.

The third post, you mean. And even then we didn't get anything really substantial until your post, right now.

And how is this a 'stingy constitutional issue'? The guy was born to a US citizen; ergo he's a natural born citizen. Even if he was born on Pluto, he's still a natural born citizen because:

There we go. Now, why couldn't THIS have been posted first, instead of everybody turning this into a political shitfit?
 

Valdemar II

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You know, it's really fucking sad that there's only one post in this three page topic actually related to the matter brought up in the OP. Have you people become so attached to your political beliefs that you have to turn anything even tangentially related, even mildly associative, into a left-right/liberal-conservative shit fest? Get the hell off your high horses people. This could have been a fun and interesting about a stingy constitutional issue, but you of over-attached-ego had to go and derail it within the first reply.

For just one moment, how about we forget that the TC had the audacity to even mention the birth certificate fiasco (I mean, how dare he, right? He must he a loony right wing fanatic!, and we all know the right wing is so hilariously wrong and evil!) and concentrate on the matter at hand?

Or is that too difficult for all of you?

Try to create a realistic scenario where Obamas birth certificate is fake, I can't create anything that look borderline realistic, the truthers insane conspiracy is almost more realistic. We have a middleclass young White woman whom get a child with a African man in the 1960ties, she fake this document (why and how?), in the decades later no one discover it, not even the entire Republican Party, his enemies in the Democratic Party, the American Press, the only whom discover it is some bloggers on the interweb. How the helll is that anything close to realistic scenario?
 
Try to create a realistic scenario where Obamas birth certificate is fake, I can't create anything that look borderline realistic, the truthers insane conspiracy is almost more realistic. We have a middleclass young White woman whom get a child with a African man in the 1960ties, she fake this document (why and how?), in the decades later no one discover it, not even the entire Republican Party, his enemies in the Democratic Party, the American Press, the only whom discover it is some bloggers on the interweb. How the helll is that anything close to realistic scenario.

I dunno, that's the OP's job, or anyone who is interested in spinning it off into a fuller TL.

Perhaps the mother would have been an illegal Canadian immigrant or something? She doesn't want her or her son to be deported so she has fake documentation made for the both?

I just find the idea of someone technically unqualified for the Presidency being elected a fascinating alt history concept.
 

Valdemar II

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I dunno, that's the OP's job, or anyone who is interested in spinning it off into a fuller TL.

Perhaps the mother would have been an illegal Canadian immigrant or something? She doesn't want her or her son to be deported so she has fake documentation made for the both?

I just find the idea of someone technically unqualified for the Presidency being elected a fascinating alt history concept.

Yes that would be a fascinating subject, but this POD would be Obama being technically unqualified, and his mom was a American citizen. But beside that if someone technically unqualified for the Presidency was elected our analyse would be pure guesswork, because the hacks in the Supreme Court, would either follow partisan concerns or adopt a rational "we won't anger the people", rather than follow the constitution and throw him out of office and letting the Vice President take over.
 
I'm not saying he wasn't, but he started out as one.

To me your coming up with tenious arguments to support your sterotypical statements (cowardly Canadians, rubbish French military et all.)


i stopped those stereotypical statements.

I was merely saying the US DID support Saddam, but far less to a degree than Russia, China or France.
 
I just find the idea of someone technically unqualified for the Presidency being elected a fascinating alt history concept.

The problem is how to hide it for so long.

Even if nobody bothered to look when a hypothetical individual ran for senate or congress or whatever, by the time our individual gets the nomination their entire life suddenly goes under a microscope. Furthermore, the party's various lawyers and PR people will ALSO put the individual under the microscope.

And as election day comes closer and closer, every single one of our individual's friends AND enemies, not to mention pretty much every reporter or blogger in the universe, will be looking for anything useful and/or dirty.

And our individual gets the White House - and only then does the secret come out?

I'm willing to entertain any ideas you may have on how this could happen but I think most of them start with the phrase 'So an ASB decides..."
 
Try to create a realistic scenario where Obamas birth certificate is fake, I can't create anything that look borderline realistic, the truthers insane conspiracy is almost more realistic. We have a middleclass young White woman whom get a child with a African man in the 1960ties, she fake this document (why and how?), in the decades later no one discover it, not even the entire Republican Party, his enemies in the Democratic Party, the American Press, the only whom discover it is some bloggers on the interweb. How the helll is that anything close to realistic scenario?

Just make this scenario in ASB.
 
On topic?

This original topic would not be Alternate History, since there's no real POD. What would it be: suppose that Obama's mom went to Africa or Indonesia to give birth... and then everything's the same until 2008 or 9? Really, this is Secret History, the sort that treats conspiracy theories as facts and works from there (WI the Templars really did run everything, and so forth). Since there's no Secret History forum, this probably belongs with the ASB threads.
 
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