Nuclear powered Iowas - BB-65 and BB-66

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Why have nuclear powered aircraft carriers? The navy, or politicians, feels that they need that kind of vessel and nuclear power gives it effectively unlimited range between refuelling and overhauls which helps simplify logistics.

Aside from the question of whether the US Navy ever really needed to reactivate the battleships or nuclear ones at that I wouldn't mind if the USS Illinois had been completed so that it could be preserved alongside Navy Pier in Chicago as a museum ship. :)
Actually a CVN makes a lot more sense than simply the unlimited range. The biggest difference is during air ops. The JFK used to lose 5 knots +/- during operations due to the amount of steam being diverted to the cats (I read somewhere that the ship could fall as low as 25 knots, which is barely enough to conduct flight operations on a dead calm day). Enterprise and the Nimitz/President class ships just keep chugging along at whatever revolutions have been rung up. With the new electromagnetic cats on the Ford Class ships this will be even more true, there is no way a conventional power plant could supply the juice for the cats, the new landing system and what will undoubtedly be "high energy" defensive weapons in due course (space and weight has been reserved for exactly this sort of upgrade).

I agree 100% on the Musuem Ship on the Lake. First Chicago Dog is on me!
 
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I wouldn't mind if the USS Illinois had been completed so that it could be preserved alongside Navy Pier in Chicago as a museum ship.

Except she could never make it there. She's about 30' too wide for the locks on the St Lawrence Seaway.

What about the Mississippi. could it be towed to East St Louis, or Cairo?
 
"high energy" defensive weapons in due course (space and weight has been reserved for exactly this sort of upgrade).
That is an unusual piece of common sense by the USN, with disasters such as the DDG 1000 and the LCS.

Thinking outside the box a little, how about a dual nuclear/oil fired drive? All four shafts are normally powered by the reactor, allowing the ship to have unlimited range at about 25 knots, and if they need to go faster, then they just fire up the boilers, and they can double the output of the power plant, and get up to 32, 33 knots. It also means reactors can be taken offline for maintance if anything goes wrong, and it won't turn the ship into a huge target. Minimizes risk and lowers costs? What isn't to like? I still couldn't see it built though.
 

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That is an unusual piece of common sense by the USN, with disasters such as the DDG 1000 and the LCS.

Thinking outside the box a little, how about a dual nuclear/oil fired drive? All four shafts are normally powered by the reactor, allowing the ship to have unlimited range at about 25 knots, and if they need to go faster, then they just fire up the boilers, and they can double the output of the power plant, and get up to 32, 33 knots. It also means reactors can be taken offline for maintance if anything goes wrong, and it won't turn the ship into a huge target. Minimizes risk and lowers costs? What isn't to like? I still couldn't see it built though.
Biggest problem I see is double the machinery in an era where the goal is to reduce personnel numbers, and loss of JP-5 bunkerage. Even if you use gas turbines that run on JP-5 the ship's machinery will still be reducing the volume of fuel available for air operations.

The next step, of course, is the exceptionally ambitious sea water to fuel effort that the Fleet is working toward. If it can be made to work, you could use the reactor to convert the JP-5 as needed to keep the bunkers full. That, however, leads to another set of machinery that requires personnel (the Fleet finally figured out that all those ordinary seamen weren't just free jackass labor the first Cruise/six months out of Q School)

Problem with the DDG-1000 was that it was a compromise of a compromise, that wound up compromising, cost a fortune ever time it bobbed or weaved. The LCS classes (both of them, not bad enough to be stuck with one white elephant) were even worse, no one ever did nail down the mission, mainly because there wasn't A mission, they expected the same hull to do half a dozen different tasks with new, under development weapons and systems. They then proceeded to cancel several of the new systems (NLOS-LS, two separate mine hunting systems, etc.)that were supposed to allow the LCS to perform the missions outlined for it. Possible the worst moment was in 2011, when the Deputy Commandant of the Corps testified before Congress following a statement from a Congressman that the LCS program was costing the USN ten major amphibious units (which the Fleet really needs) and told the Committee that the LCS was being looked at to fill a number of the gaps in the 'Phib force. In 2015 the current Deputy Commandant told the same committee that the LCS was utterly unsuited due to issues with stability, berthing space and survivability in denied access zones. Why the big change?In 2011 the Chairman of the JCS was a four Star Admiral. In 2015 the Chairman was, for the first time, a Marine (the outgoing Commandant). Now there may have been some sudden change in the stability cabin space and survivabilty of the LCS classes in four years, or maybe, just maybe, the Chairman sent the Deputy Commandant in with a set of orders which he followed. (Wouldn't be the first time, back in the 80s the Commandant testified to Congress that the Corps wants more AV-8 Harriers not the F-14 to replace their F4 and A-6 airframes. Told them that in the morning. After the lunch break he informed the Committee that he was now requesting four squadrons of Tomcats as part of his budget. When asked why, he replied "Our mission has changed". NAVAIR literally called SECNAV and had "defending the fleet from cruise missile threats" added to the USMC's air operation responsibility during the lunch break. The fleet got 50 extra Tomcats and the Corps got something like 84 fewer Harriers.)
 
Why have nuclear powered aircraft carriers? The navy, or politicians, feels that they need that kind of vessel and nuclear power gives it effectively unlimited range between refuelling and overhauls which helps simplify logistics.
Good point on the added flexibility and capability nuclear power gives to CVNs, but unlike a carrier that has aircraft to keep threats from hitting the ship, a battleship is designed to take and absorb hits. If on the other hand our BBN (nuclear battleship?) is not intended to take hits (no one else has big guns by now anyway) but is intended solely for NGFS, then we don't need the armour at all, but more CIWS and anti-missile and AA defences. If the latter is the case, then the USN really needs an expanded CGN, based on something like the Virginia-class but with the turrets and guns of an Iowa. Sort of a Kirov with guns? You don't need super heavy guns in this role, so, take the triple 12"/50 turrets off the Alaska class set for disposal in the early 1960s, put one or two turrets per BBN.
 
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