November 1944 german military

I think that the WAllies would agree to a surrender, but with occupation of Germany as a must. The Soviets on the other hand, I think that they'd want to completely crush Germany
 
In November 1944? This is impossible for several reasons.

First, Nazi Germany was a police state, with far more draconian discipline over its army than Imperial Germany.

Second, it's not going to happen on the Eastern Front, where surrender is to the Soviet army.

Third, in November 1944, the German army was in far better condition than in Niovember 1918.

Fourth, that's not actually what happened in 1918. The collapses of Bulgaria and Austria-Hungary, together with defeats on the Western Front, made German defeat inevitable. Hindenburg and Ludendorff therefore determined to cede power to the opposition parties in the Reichstag, so that defeat could be blamed on them.

This was in September. In early October, Hindenburg and Ludendorff resigned. In late October, the constitution was revised, stripping the Kaiser of much power, and placing the opposition in full control. The new government then sued for peace, resulting in the armistice of 11 November.
 
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In November 1944? This is impossible for several reasons.

First, Nazi Germany was a police state, with far more draconian discipline over its army than Imperial Germany.

Second, it's not going to happen on the Eastern Front, where surrender is to the Soviet army.

Third, in November 1944, the German army was in far better condition than in November 1918.

Fourth, that's not actually what happened in 1918. The collapses of Bulgaria and Austria-Hungary, together with defeats on the Western Front, made German defeat ineveitable. Hindenburg and Ludendorff therefore determined to cede power to the opposition parties in the Reichstag, so that defeat could be blamed on them.

This was in September. In early October , Hindenburg and Ludendorff resigned. In late October, the constitution was revised, stripping the Kaiser of much power, and placing the opposition in full control. The new government then sued for peace, resulting in the armistice of 11 November.

The rest of your post is correct but the part I bolded is...extra correct. By Nov 1918 the German Army was pretty much a myth. The November 1944 Heer was battered but they still had unit cohesion and could still get some tactical victories if conditions were in their favor, two things you can't say about their counterparts in November 1918.
 
Second, it's not going to happen on the Eastern Front, where surrender is to the Soviet army.

Nor in the Western front i would think, where the Allies were on the doorstep of Germany itself, one foot in. I mean the Heer may not have cared about France the low countries, but they sure as hell were not going to allow the Allies into Germany itself. No matter how much they thought the war was lost, they weren't going to give up germany.

Next to that, the Siegfried line was a formidable defensive line, surely they would test that and see what happens before mutinying(sp?).

If they can fight the Allies to a standstill, then its the time to mutiny and ask for peace.
 
The German Army by this date just went though one of the most significant purges in its history of officers of all ranks from Field Marshals on down who by in large did want the war to end in 1944 (though not with Carthaginian terms) and were willing to try to make it happen.

Germany and the WAllies were at war though and the American press which at this point in time was openly promoting post war deindustrialization plans (which a certain Propaganda Ministry was happy to repeat) made clear they viewed it as a war with Germany not any single political party in it.

The British press including BBC radio at this point in time was trying to stroke an SS vs Heer war with reports on the SS killing Heer generals with an ‘are you going to take that’ message to them. But, it was undermined by Washington messaging about post war Germany and the overall success of the purge.
 
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The German military in November 1944 revolt/mutiny like 1918 and want to end war how does that change ww2?
Other than avoiding the mass death and destruction of December 1944-May 1945? It just ends the war early. The peace will still be an unconditional one, which I don't know how OTL Wehrmacht would tolerate that. They'd have to have a major civil war against the SS and the die hard Nazis in their own ranks and probably would have had to avoid the July 1944 assassination debacle of OTL, which put the SS/Nazis firmly in charge of the military and removed anyone who would have surrendered early. I guess you could have a delayed, but successful coup against Hitler that then results in a civil war, but due to the delay the SS has lost a lot more credibility and the public supports the coup.
 
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