Northern Limit Line

Though, 1,000 U.S. dead from one WMD attack seems a bit much. By this point in the war, the U.N. forces know that the KPA is using chemical weapons and would adjust their posture accordingly. U.N. troops would be wearing MOPP gear and such.
I agree
I was wondering, why hasn't the U.N. bombed Pyongyang? In March 2003, the first thing the U.S. did when invading Iraq was bomb all the major important government buildings in Baghdad. It's kind of strange for KJI to still be in his Pyongyang palace weeks into the war, especially after using WMDs against U.N. forces.
"Pyongyang had been bombed at least a dozen times, and more scars appeared in the city after every enemy raid. "
From post 497, they are bombing Pyonyang.
 
Just found this story and I like it.

If ROK doesn't take all of Korea, will the border at least be pushed north a little?
The question becomes, "With the PRK in civil war and the Chinese neutral, what is the advantage to the ROK in leaving the PRK as a country?" The PRK has spent 50 years building up defenses at the current location, any movement north makes the PRK considerably more vulnerable.

I see only two possibilities:
1) A unified Korea, possibly with *small* border adjustments (The Chinese take the East side of the mouth of the Yalu and maybe the area where the PRK borders Russia to keep Russia out of things)
2) A *true* vassal state. At the level of the new PRK leadership hovers in the air after the Chinese say jump because the Chinese didn't say they could come down.
 

Quebec_Dave

Banned
I have spent the entire night reading this timeline. It is just spectacular! I just hope it isn't dead and that the story will come to a satisfying end. Not to be too much of a hog, but I would love an epilogue set in 2016 and how the now former DPRK is being re absorbed into the United Korea. :)
 

chankljp

Donor
Just discovered this timeline and finished reading everything within 2 days. Really enjoyed it so far.

Just wondering, will this timeline be continued, or has it been abandoned, as the last update was from 3 months ago?
 
Just discovered this timeline and finished reading everything within 2 days. Really enjoyed it so far.

Just wondering, will this timeline be continued, or has it been abandoned, as the last update was from 3 months ago?
okmangeez do you receive?
okmangeez please report status.
We need an update now !!!
okmangeez even said that he was pretty much done with "Northern Limit Line" IIRC, so I agree.

Let's not bring this thread back from the dead.

It is my duty, as the author, to finish any TL that I have started.

That being said.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, makes violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy

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September 11th, 2002

Sariwon, occupied DPRK
8:21 AM KST

"Just a year ago, the Twin Towers collapsed and we began the invasion of Afghanistan. Now, we're bogged down in some god forsaken North Korean city after the Norks attempted to blitz into the South by surprise." Private Sam Hopson mumbled as he laid back on to the wall. He spat into an empty North Korean trench and sighed.

The city of Sariwon was once a major trade hub located between the DMZ and Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea. After a nuclear blast outside of the city, massive artillery barrages, and a bio weapon being released into the city itself, the city was in ruins, with thousands of people either mulling around the rubble or being treated for their various wounds and diseases.

Sergeant Yamen Bolden, who was also leaning on the wall with Sam, took a swig of water and adjusted his helmet. "The Nork government is worse. Have you seen the things they did to South Korea and their own population? Jesus Christ, they killed innocents by the thousands. That terrorist bombing in Seoul and the bio weapons? Those are probably multiple times worse than 9/11."

The private nodded solemnly. South Korea was still in some sort of shock after all the various attacks and bombings that had happened over the course of the war. The estimated total number of casualties shot up everyday, with the current amount of deaths numbering at a staggering 60,000. No matter what anyone said, these attacks were worse as nearly 20 times more people had died. "And that's not counting the casualties of soldiers as well."

"The only relief we have right now is that the Norks are in a civil war, allowing our advances to be easier and faster. The faster we liberate these people, the better." Sergeant Bolden said. Off in the distance, an explosion occurred, though neither soldiers looked fazed.

The sergeant's radio crackled as he finished the water bottle. "Sergeant, we have another North Korean hold out remaining in the city. They already blew up an apartment complex to slow down our advances. Have your unit head over to help with the fighting and the civilian evacuation. We have dozens of civilian casualties. Over."

"Understood, I'll head over with my unit immediately, over."

Private Hopson grabbed his rifle and stood up. "Just another typical day in North Korea, ey?"

Sergeant Bolden chucked the bottle away. "I hate this job. You think you've seen the worst one day and see something even more messed up the next. But you have to do it anyways because there are people that need you out there."

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"It has been confirmed that the "Dear Leader" of North Korea has been assassinated this morning. The Korean Central News Agency has confirmed that it was General Kim Kyok Sik who has killed the Great Leader. It has been stated that Kim Jong Chul, the middle son of the recent leader, has assumed the title of the leader of North Korea, promising to avenge the death of his father. On the flip side, Jang Sung Taek, Kim Jong Il's brother, has claimed that the now dead leader had betrayed the great "People's Republic" and had carried out his own agenda, which has led to "the true Korea's downfall." However, the newly admitted Kim has managed to hold onto the capital for the time being and most of the western provinces of the DPRK. Jang and General Kim have fled Pyongyang and have managed to have the eastern provinces under their control. It is rumored that the DPRK has completely halted all operations against the UN coalition and is fighting against itself in the civil war."

"President Bush announced today that Afghanistan and North Korea will be the "last of major American operations in the War of Terror." He has claimed that with the recent successes in North Korea and Afghanistan, America must now take to role to "remove all forms of terror in both countries" and "help the two rebuild." The UN has already agreed to assist in the rebuilding efforts after the wars have been finished. It is expected that North Korea will collapse first, followed by the Taliban in Afghanistan."

"China and Russia have voiced their approval of America's reconstruction efforts, although both countries are uneasy after the nuclear explosions. However, the United States government has reassured the two countries that the nuclear bombs were air burst, thus the radiation spread will be limited. There are some rumors that China and Russia will also intervene in the Second Korean War, but no reports are yet official."
 
Excellent! I'm glad that this timeline is back, and I hope you didn't feel rushed at all. :D

Hopefully North Korea ITTL at long last gets the first taste of freedom.
 
"President Bush announced today that Afghanistan and North Korea will be the "last of major American operations in the War of Terror." He has claimed that with the recent successes in North Korea and Afghanistan, America must now take to role to "remove all forms of terror in both countries" and "help the two rebuild." The UN has already agreed to assist in the rebuilding efforts after the wars have been finished. It is expected that North Korea will collapse first, followed by the Taliban in Afghanistan."
Translation, US realized their high speed, low drag military isn't all it's bragged to be.
 
Not necessarily, the problem is that you can only spread things so thin before it is no longer possible. Could the US "do more" if need be? Yes, but it would require a mobilization effort of significant proportion both for manpower and materiel. Also the wars in Afghanistan and Korea are manpower intensive, and especially in Korea you have a significant issue with dealing with civil affairs for the NORK population. Now if you want to state that "shock and awe" is BS, no argument here.
 
Not necessarily, the problem is that you can only spread things so thin before it is no longer possible. Could the US "do more" if need be? Yes, but it would require a mobilization effort of significant proportion both for manpower and materiel. Also the wars in Afghanistan and Korea are manpower intensive, and especially in Korea you have a significant issue with dealing with civil affairs for the NORK population. Now if you want to state that "shock and awe" is BS, no argument here.
That being said, the draft actually might make a comeback.

Key word, MIGHT. Politically, it's dead, but given the needs....
 
Between 9/11 which had a patriotic upsurge and the fact the the NKs invaded Korea, reactivating the draft (it was still on the books), would most likely not engender wide spread opposition (would there be some, of course but...). Especially if the inequalities of the Vietnam era draft are done away with and the draft is seen, like it was in WWII as being truly universal. By this point in time I would expect that all National Guard and reserve units have been called up and are either deployed/being deployed or in some part of a training up cycle. Depending on the service/unit some might go to "quiet" spots from which active forces are removed for forward use, some might be used in the USA, and so forth. I can state with authority that a repeat Korean War scenario had reserve units involved very early on.

ITTL you won't see the USA go in to Iraq, between the forces in Afghanistan and the logistic train there, and the massive effort in Korea there is basically nothing left over for this even if there was a will to do it. W and the neocons might still hanker to do in Saddam, but beyond continuing sanctions and a no-fly zone US forces are simply not available. You might see the USA asking NATO allies to take over the no-fly zone, and perhaps the USA giving more covert support and arms to the Kurds, but that's it. Once the Korea situation ends, there will be zero political will in the USA to send ground forces in to Iraq - maybe, just maybe some more bombing but that's it. Korea has cost a fair number of casualties by the time it is over, way more than Afghanistan, a good deal of money, and there will need to be an increased US presence there for some time.
 
I'm not sure North Korea even in 2002 post-famine had enough stockpiles of quality equipment and ammunition for lengthy fighting. Most artillery guns would be undermaintained, and many shells would probably be stored improperly.
 
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