Nordica

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- 810 AD: Death of Charlemagne
- 835 AD: Danish raiders ally with Cornish against king Ecgbehrt of Essex
- 843 AD: King Halfdan of Norway and King Godfredsson of Denmark form Nordica a coalition of Norse raiders and settelers
- 845 AD: Nordica raids on Moorish spain begins
- 845 AD: King Turgeis of the Irish Vikings joins Nordica
- 847 AD: Massive Nordica Raids throughout Britan as Nordica takes the Isles
- 850 AD: Turgeis crowns himself king of Britan
- 850 AD: Norse Settlement of the Volgo
- 853 AD: Death of King Halfdan
- 855 AD: Discovery of Iceland
- 854 AD: King Rorik comes to power in Denmark and seperates from Nordica
- 856 AD: King Halfdan disposes Rorik and now controls all of Scandnavia
- 859 AD: Establishment of Novograd
- 860 AD Britannia Seperates from Nordica
- 861 AD the first Britannia war begins
- 862 AD: Settlement of Iceland
- 862 AD: Destruction and death along the coast of england as Halfdan pillages Britannia
- 867 AD: Saxon Rebelion overthrows Norse command of england it most of the country
- 870 AD: Battle of London, Turgeis captured and exiled to Iceland
- 871 AD: Harald Harfagra becomes King of all Nordica
- 872 AD: King Harald divides Nordica into 6 Provinces (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Britannia, Novograd and Iceland) each ruled by a Warlord loyal to the King
- 880 AD: Last remnants of Saxon rebelion crushed
- 890 AD: Lord Olaf the Swede rules both Denmark and Sweeden
- 895 AD: Olaf's Revolution, Lord Olaf attacks Norway fails and is nearly excuted but due to his popularity Olaf is instead exiled to Iceland
- late 800s First of the Turgeisein kings of Iceland
 
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yourworstnightmare

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Even if they formed a coalition it would last just the lifetimes of the kings forming it. Alliances did not last longer during this era.
 

yourworstnightmare

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I am not sure unified monarchies could be created by any other means than conquest in Viking Scandinavia. Also large realms were hard to administer and usually fell apart quickly.
 
Thanks for the input :D

It would start as a coalition but by the time the first kings died it would become a unified monarchy
ASB in this time period. Name one 9th-century Viking kingdom that managed to remain intact and stable after its king died.
 
Norway itself didn't even have any unfied government whatsoever for more than a hundred years. Denmark was cloer, but the kings still feuded for power constantly.
 
Considering that kingship was often decided by sinking the other guy's drakkar, it's hard to maintain a stable one in the time period.

As for Novgorod, there was no way that any Scandinavian control based out of Denmark could be exerted. Once the old Slavic boroughs and Rurik's settlement were amalgamated, Novgorod alone was fully able to take on any Scandinavian prince defensively if it was prepared. Most of the "Norse conquest" of Rus was either by invitation or by surprise. The few exceptions are Korosten (tiny) and Polotsk (conquered by a Rus prince from a slighly more Varangian prince).

And Novgorod was just one city. There were others around, with their own (Slavic) populations and their own princes with Norse druzhinas. Rus needed the Scandinavians to provide professional fighting men, but the economic and political power was strictly local.
 
Norway itself didn't even have any unfied government whatsoever for more than a hundred years. Denmark was cloer, but the kings still feuded for power constantly.

And even when Harald Fairhair united Norway, it fell apart at his death.

]And Novgorod was just one city. There were others around, with their own (Slavic) populations and their own princes with Norse druzhinas. Rus needed the Scandinavians to provide professional fighting men, but the economic and political power was strictly local.
From what I've read, the Varangian Rus were fairly prolific traders. Commerce was the basis of their economy, and the Rus did not need local assistance for that.
 
From what I've read, the Varangian Rus were fairly prolific traders. Commerce was the basis of their economy, and the Rus did not need local assistance for that.

The princes and the princes' men were often also the major traders, yes. But trade made a respectable but not critical percentage of Novgorod's economy in the 12th and 13th centuries at least, and as I said earlier other towns were even less reliant on trade.

As for local assistance - the locals had a nasty habit of kicking their princes out when they didn't like them. There's no way to rule Novgorod without popular cooperation (unless you're going to suggest that the Varangians will outnumber the Slavs) and Novgorod will not cooperate with being ruled from Denmark.

The prince and his men were a crucial part of Rus cities, but they were by no means the only thing that mattered, and they were pretty much the entire sum of Varangian transplant onto East Slavic polities, and often behaved a little like a state within a state, which is probably what you're talking about when you say they had a "Varangian Rus" economy.

Granted, this IS the 9th century we're talking about, so there could be a small window where some Varangian prince pretends he's loyal to some Danish King. But it cannot possibly last.
 
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- 853 AD: Death of King Halfdan
- 855 AD: Discovery of Iceland
- 854 AD: King Rorik comes to power in Denmark and separates from Nordica
- 856 AD: King Halfdan disposes Rorik and now controls all of Scandinavia
- 859 AD: Establishment of Novograd
- 860 AD Britannia Separates from Nordica
- 861 AD the first Britannia war begins
- 862 AD: Settlement of Iceland
- 862 AD: Destruction and death along the coast of england as Halfdan pillages Britannia
I guess Death - is just a Minor Inconvenience.
 
Preunification Period

843: King Halfden of Norway and King Godfredsson met after a series of skirmishs between their Nations. Each was currently held up with other conquests and neither wanted war at the moment. The meeting went well and a peace treaty was created and each king now encouraged trade with eachover. This was the original Nordica no more than two countries with Peace and Trade agreements.

Two years later the kings met again but this time a third king also was in attendence. King Turgeis of Norse Ireland had noticed the wealth Norway and Denmark had recieved from their trade and had wanted to join Nordica. At the confrence The Kings were wary of letting such a small power join Nordica but in the end Turgeis was admitted.

King Turgeis controled all of Ireland and he gathered his arrmies for a massive invasion of Britan. Turgeis first invaded Wales pillaging and raid the Welsh countryside. After wales had fell he moved to capture York and Storming across Western England until he reached York.

The Siege of York was bloody and it took 7 months to capture the city. Meanwhile across the North Sea the Norse Kings were joyous at the English Conquest and as talk of Joint Raids and a co-invasion of sweden were underway Denmark sent its army to Essex a old Enemy to Denmark. Sieges similar to York occured at Edinburgh, Nottingham and Tamworth. Raiders also burned any of London not protected by the old Roman Walls.
 
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