Non-Parallellism in TL-191
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Which brings up another point: in the early days of the Hitler Reich, when the Nazis were still setting things up, a lot of political prisoners were released from the camps after a few weeks or months if they promised to "behave" themselves. In the CSA's system it seems like being sent to the camps for being boisterous Whigs and Rad Libs is tantamount to spending the rest of your life in prison.
just remembered this one (sorry of someone mentioned it) but unlike the nazi, the FP never replaced the national flag with their own. I seem to remember a mention of both flags always being flown after taking power together however. I wonder if the implication was that the FP projected itself as being part of the establishment rather then replacing it.
MarshalBraginsky
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Also, Cassius Madison could have become TL 191's version of Simon Wissenthal or something.
The only mention I remember of the Freedom Party flag at all is when stalwarts were out on the streets "encouraging" people to fly them or the Stars and Bars to celebrate Featherston's assumption of power. Beyond that its just the Stars and Bars.
Maybe, maybe not. This isn't the thread for post-series discussion however.
There were actualy a few mentions (just found my old write up for FOTW and the follow ups):
http://www.fotw.net/flags/fic_hfrm.html#cs-free
The Nazi flag was coofficial with the black-white-red flag for a year under Hitler.
The trials of the top-tier Confederate political and military figures appear to be one-on-one affairs (Koenig, Potter, Goldman each getting their own trials, not being lumped together ala Nuremberg and IMTFE).
Granted, we only had Potter's POV to go by, and can he even be considered to be in the same level of leadership as the Freedom inner circle?
Granted, we only had Potter's POV to go by, and can he even be considered to be in the same level of leadership as the Freedom inner circle?
MarshalBraginsky
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Come to think of it, Nathan Bedford Forrest IV's plot against Featherston smacks of Valkyrie but he's doing it on his own. Clarence Potter's role could have been based on Canaris as well. Other than that, I've only read In at the Death. There's also that character Boris Lavochkin. He's probably one of the most weirdest guys in all of TL 191, with his unit calling themselves Lavochkin's Looters or something.
Nathan Bedford Forrest III's plot is nothing at all like Valkyrie. And he's not doing it on his own; Featherston at one point bluntly asked Potter why he didn't throw in with "the rest of them bastards."
I think that Lavochkin is supposed to be based on this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Lavochkin
I'm not really sure of the connection between OTL aerospace engineer and ATL brutal military officer, though.
Snake Featherston
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I think he's more supposed to be based on the Red Army soldiers that engaged in atrocities toward the end of WWII.
MarshalBraginsky
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Well, that pretty much explains how TL 191 USA is like USSR lite, only no Stalinist dictatorship.
No it doesn't. That was never the reason why people think TL-191 USA is anything like the USSR. The oft-cited reasons include the Nazi-analogue's hatred of a certain country larger than his own, the Socialist Party controlling the executive branch, unpreparedness at the outbreak of war, the war breaking out on the same day Blackbeard did, and Pittsburgh. Not some squad going apeshit in a small village in South Carolina.
Snake Featherston
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Not to mention the Chechen-Mormons, complete with planned entire-uprooting and the whole occupying a good-sized chunk of a continent thing (though the USSR gave more autonomy to the WP than the ATL USA does to Canada).
That's a bit of parallelism based on entirely the wrong reasons. The Soviet Union, IOTL, was a hub of tank development, or at the very least the copying of designs that the western powers didn't feel like improving. The Socialists seem excessively pacifistic, to the point of utter stupidity in the 1920s and 1930s. It makes sense that OTL US would find no reason to put much effort into tank design between the wars (who was going to fight them? Canada? Mexico?), but the United States of TL-191 is holding down a rebellious Canada and has an angry neighbor to her south. Yeah, I get it, international solidarity of workers and all that, but no one is so idealistic as to believe that there will be indefinite peace between two nations that have no greater foes and an extremely long land border.
Wait, what. How the hell do you figure?
Honestly, just because of the last name. I figure more Russians came to the US than OTL, and this guy was one of them, and ended up in a very different role.
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