Non-indoeuropean icelandic natives

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Autariates

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I am completely dissilusioned with Icelandic peaples and their whale murdering practices together wth deforestatition and their general lack of megalomaniac , grandiose projects beyond nececity and deficit of courege to do something really notable .So there it is , earlier inuit departure from their homeland toward Iceland or something else. Former fan of Iceland .
 

Autariates

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Most indigenous groups that practice it don't do it for food reasons anymore.

It may be truth or something . But icelandic whale murdering is something that could be supplanted via little media campaign in EU and US organized by whalers and government of Iceland that could achieve if properly led and targeted a wholy new strength of Icelandic economy . instead of whole Iceland biting its nails on what is gonna happen to fish prices .
 
So wait you are arguing that non-indoeuropeans are intrinsictely more likely to care for the enviroment than indoeuropeans. I don't want to sound harsh but this sounds both ill-informed and like a pretty kooky form of reverse racism...

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Dorozhand

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You're reacting so far against Eurocentrism that you've reached all the way back around to racialism and chauvinism. A society's tendencies are determined only by environment. Access to food and other material resources and the carrying capacity for the land.

This in particular is important for anyone living in Iceland. The island's carrying capacity is so small that, IOTL, huge diebacks were common after natural disasters and slight changes in climate, and infanticide was a cultural institution sacred and necessary enough to warrant a caveat of exception in Iceland's law of Christianization.

It all comes down to resources. Great Men™ and inherent culture are not valid explanations for anything.
 

Autariates

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So wait you are arguing that non-indoeuropeans are intrinsictely more likely to care for the enviroment than indoeuropeans. I don't want to sound harsh but this sounds both ill-informed and like a pretty kooky form of reverse racism...

teg

Actually , even though i never claimed something like that . My honest opinion is that indoeuropeans are far more likely to be agressive and militant because of their respective cultures and lands that they inhabit ,and fierce contests for place under the Sun .But on the other hand enviroment are too uncertain word for someone to have exact opinion on it , except that it is something good or whatever .
 

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I am completely dissilusioned with Icelandic peaples and their whale murdering practices together wth deforestatition and their general lack of megalomaniac , grandiose projects beyond nececity and deficit of courege to do something really notable .So there it is , earlier inuit departure from their homeland toward Iceland or something else. Former fan of Iceland .

This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum.

Firstly; few people in Iceland actually eat whale any more. It's mostly the older generations, and the younger ones who are used to more "western culture" shy away from it. Icelanders often lived in turf houses before WW2; that reflects the kind of stark reality of living in Iceland - it's cold, wet and difficult to get food (very difficult to grow crops in Iceland). Sheep and fish/whale were primary foods, and remain a core part of the diet today. With a population so small, whaling in previous days was necessary; even today with airplanes, shipping in food meant McDonalds meals were so expensive (all ingredients were air freighted in from Germany rather then using local produce) that McD withdrew from Iceland. Use what you have locally. Whalemeat used to be an important and essential part of Icelandic diet. Sheep are can often die in the middle of winter in snowfall (rescue teams to save sheep caught in snow are not uncommon in Iceland). When winter comes, and you're short on food and going hungry, a whale is an important lifesaver.

Next; deforestation happened a long time ago. The Vikings cut down the trees; I don't think environmentalism really existed then to a large degree. Iceland is so far north, that trees take bloody ages to grow. There's been a large *reforestation* project occuring in recent years; however because of the speed trees grow at in Iceland, they are still small. There's an Icelandic joke "if you are lost in a forest in Iceland, then just stand up". The trees are that short frequently, and often you'll see them mostly in areas protected from the high winds (behind slopes in the land).

Next; Iceland is big. Like really big. It's a little bigger then Maine state. With only 300,000 people today, and less then 100,000 before 1900. Making some hydroelectric dam in the far reaches of the country, where hardly anyone goes to generate huge amounts of electricity for the country is a great use of natural resources - within reason. Iceland generates all of it's electricity from green and renewable sources - I don't think most countries could even come close to that.
 

Autariates

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You're reacting so far against Eurocentrism that you've reached all the way back around to racialism and chauvinism. A society's tendencies are determined only by environment. Access to food and other material resources and the carrying capacity for the land.

This in particular is important for anyone living in Iceland. The island's carrying capacity is so small that, IOTL, huge diebacks were common after natural disasters and slight changes in climate, and infanticide was a cultural institution sacred and necessary enough to warrant a caveat of exception in Iceland's law of Christianization.

It all comes down to resources. Great Men™ and inherent culture are not valid explanations for anything.
Thing is with Inuit only Iceland is that Inuits , to my knowledge nomads, would be in position to create sedentary society that is possibly isolated enough and too distant and poor to be of big interest to potential Norwegian or some other European colonists or conqueror . Enough that it could create sedentary society so they can trade with NE countries . The root of my claim is the importance of pre-settling culture of colonists . Being such minority in obvious fenotypical way and potentialy cultarly , in at least some parts of life , would lead to historical extravaganza or Viking wipeout . Historical extravaganza is sole survival of Iceland Inuits as separate people and in that case they would be forced to excell man for man their indoeuropean challengers . And wipeout means total flood and assimilation by indoeuropeans . Great Men™ would be created by forcefull Vikings and difficulties of life and need to trade .
 
This thread should be locked and its poster threatened with being kicked. It is racist and hateful. A shame, because the basic question of how Inuit peoples might colonize and exploit Iceland - and the extent to which this might affect Norse settlements in the North Atlantic might be worth discussing.
 

Lateknight

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I don't think that any non Europeans were ever in position to colonize Iceland I think the Inuit could if they get very lucky but realitic there chances of pulling this off are not good.
 

Autariates

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This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum.

Firstly; few people in Iceland actually eat whale any more. It's mostly the older generations, and the younger ones who are used to more "western culture" shy away from it. Icelanders often lived in turf houses before WW2; that reflects the kind of stark reality of living in Iceland - it's cold, wet and difficult to get food (very difficult to grow crops in Iceland). Sheep and fish/whale were primary foods, and remain a core part of the diet today. With a population so small, whaling in previous days was necessary; even today with airplanes, shipping in food meant McDonalds meals were so expensive (all ingredients were air freighted in from Germany rather then using local produce) that McD withdrew from Iceland. Use what you have locally. Whalemeat used to be an important and essential part of Icelandic diet. Sheep are can often die in the middle of winter in snowfall (rescue teams to save sheep caught in snow are not uncommon in Iceland). When winter comes, and you're short on food and going hungry, a whale is an important lifesaver.

Next; deforestation happened a long time ago. The Vikings cut down the trees; I don't think environmentalism really existed then to a large degree. Iceland is so far north, that trees take bloody ages to grow. There's been a large *reforestation* project occuring in recent years; however because of the speed trees grow at in Iceland, they are still small. There's an Icelandic joke "if you are lost in a forest in Iceland, then just stand up". The trees are that short frequently, and often you'll see them mostly in areas protected from the high winds (behind slopes in the land).

Next; Iceland is big. Like really big. It's a little bigger then Maine state. With only 300,000 people today, and less then 100,000 before 1900. Making some hydroelectric dam in the far reaches of the country, where hardly anyone goes to generate huge amounts of electricity for the country is a great use of natural resources - within reason. Iceland generates all of it's electricity from green and renewable sources - I don't think most countries could even come close to that.
Who cares what people in distant reaches of Iceland eat , i surely do not . In fact they can eat what ever the hell they choose , its absolutely fine with mua . Getting food , even for Iceland or Greenland , shouldnt that difficult in modern age . Amount of people doing it for sake of the way of ancestors is probably going to decrease as actuall physical human workpower is decreasing in demand across the island . In the long term leading to fewer and fewer secluded settlement . Also there is no need for Icelanders to choose from any of the given choices when they have enogh free time to invent warp drive lol . i mean write books . My problem is murdering of so intelligent lifeforms , not what highly intelligent creature eats to survive , if it can kill whale and eat it good for them , nature works, great .
Second : deforestation issue . Who da hell told you that forest must be made out of trees . Not sure , i am not a botanist but it may be possible to create some sort of plant via selective breeding that can create good enogh short faster growing forests or wind coverage for other spurting life , all Icelanders need to do is to be sure to make tens of different plans and selections for plants intended for ecosystem experiment . It may demand outsourcing project to British Isles or Scandinavia .
Third: Big Iceland , not sure in the import-export prices per metric tonn for iceland . But what i beleive is that if Icelanders decide to build huge power plants they will have at least dosen foreign investor proposals how to use them and thousands of proposals coming from locals .Not saying they should before achieving definitive sustainability projection for given project , but ...What i am saying is maybe some whale-meat eating granma has idea but because Iceland lacks national brainstorm group on facebook lol , she will die without presenting it to the scientific public, or Icelands school system doesnt give children a dream of making life on Iceland not so gray , dream of shaping their own enviroment . I am sure it would move hearts of some Icelanders and at that probably hearts of the smartest of them . And about that save the enviroment people , humans ARE part of nature and if they really like it barren go to Mars no body was there enviroment is pristine . Life is there to spread , expand and procreate as is observable . In that light , holiest mission of lifeform known as humans is to ,as precious analitical and cultural creatures , explore understand and spread life . In the end : do you care more about plain Icelandic sheep or some random rock ?
 

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I am completely dissilusioned with Icelandic peaples and their whale murdering practices together wth deforestatition and their general lack of megalomaniac , grandiose projects beyond nececity and deficit of courege to do something really notable .So there it is , earlier inuit departure from their homeland toward Iceland or something else. Former fan of Iceland .
It is truly a rare thing when someone creates a thread solely to troll a single group.

It appears, although it is remarkably difficult to follow, that you are:

1. Condemning Icelandic fishermen for killing whales while ignoring the vastly greater hauls from a variety of other nations. BTW: Iceland is a member of the IWC.

2. Complaining that the initial settlers to Iceland cut down whatever trees were there to provide for shelter and fuel to keep from freezing to death 1,100 years ago and somehow hanging that action on the current residents of the island.

3. Condemning Iceland for NOT do some sort, any sort, of massive construction program.

Overall this is a rather bizarre bit of nationalist trolling.

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