Non-genocidal Japanese Empire

POD any time after 1910 (Japanese annexation of Korea). How can Japan keep control over its colonies without the situation devolving into the egregious violations of human rights seen in OTL? Is there any way for Japan to both keep long-term control over its colonies AND provide for good living standards/basic rights in Korea, Taiwan etc. (possibly a federation?)
 
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POD any time after 1910 (Japanese annexation of Korea). How can Japan keep control over its colonies without the situation devolving into the egregious violations of human rights seen in OTL? Is there any way for Japan to both keep long-term control over its colonies AND provide for good living standards/basic rights in Korea, Taiwan etc. (possibly a federation?)

The japanese empire was pretty much a western democracy back then, but it completely degenerated into the imperial japan we known on the 1920s-on, so it might be easy to pull it off
 
If you avoid the Great War, then Japan's economic depression following the war is averted; so is their failed attempt to vassalize China believing the Great Powers preoccupied. The Twenty-one Demands severely hurt Japan's image internationally.

No Great War may also alleviate the Great Depression which REALLY helped to radicalize Japan. Poor economics always leads to desperation. With no Great War, free trade and investment continues into the 20s further tying the international markets together likely making it harder to put up trade walls. Likewise, a major issue were all the loans taken out to pay for WWI: loans to Germany to pay reparations which were needed to pay loans France owed to the US. You can see how THAT cascaded. Russia would still be part of the world market. The US would also be better off as their factories wouldn't still be churning out max product with no buyers after the war, not destroying topsoil because of international agricultural needs averting the Dust Bowl. The Spanish Flu may also be averted depending on what origin you accept allowing tens of millions to contribute to the economy.

There is still the 1923 earthquake which caused a great deal of damage, but perhaps Europe and the US sends aid.
 

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POD any time after 1910 (Japanese annexation of Korea). How can Japan keep control over its colonies without the situation devolving into the egregious violations of human rights seen in OTL? Is there any way for Japan to both keep long-term control over its colonies AND provide for good living standards/basic rights in Korea, Taiwan etc. (possibly a federation?)
No colonial power really managed to strike this balance OTL, at least for large and heavily populated territories, especially those with a pre-existing national identity like Korea. That's not say it's impossible... but it suggests it's unlikely, and there's no real OTL model to draw from.
 
Keeping prime minister Hara Takashi, a prominent anti-militarist, from being murdered by an ultranationalist railroad switchman definitely would've helped, as would having him use the parliamentary majority his party had after 1920 to approve universal suffrage.
 
No colonial power really managed to strike this balance OTL, at least for large and heavily populated territories, especially those with a pre-existing national identity like Korea. That's not say it's impossible... but it suggests it's unlikely, and there's no real OTL model to draw from.
Just shooting in the dark here; any way Japan could've done something with Korea along the lines of Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy thing?
 
Whatever state results will likely be unrecognizable by OTL historians as Imperial Japan.

Have China grow closer to Germany in 1920 and play the warlord states off of one another, leaving much less for Japan to play with. Give the Koreans their language back but use economic incentives to push assimilation if they choose to continue it. Take over the whole of Sakhalin Island, or better still keep the Republic of Siberia alive somehow (preferrably as a puppet) to use as a source for raw materials.
 
Just shooting in the dark here; any way Japan could've done something with Korea along the lines of Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy thing?
Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy didn't occur in a vacuum, it was part of a complicated historical process and interplay between Austria and Hungary that has no clear parallel in the relations of Korea and Japan. It was also a much longer subject-vassal relationship than that between Imperial Japan and Korea (which could probably be most forgivingly dated to 1876 in the case of Japan-Korea versus the 16th century for Austria-Hungary).

You could probably maintain a more independent Korean government in place, but the idea that you could get something like the dual monarchy is IMO pretty out there.
 
Just shooting in the dark here; any way Japan could've done something with Korea along the lines of Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy thing?
No the Japanese regarded the Koreans as racial inferiors combined with the domination of Korea by a Japanese elite and a Korean desire for Independence makes this impossible.
 
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Japan did have "somewhat decent" model colonies such as Taiwan.

It shouldn't be too difficult for the same mentality to be applied to Korea and Manchuria.

China (excluding Manchuria) is a whole different beast that Japan is best to avoid altogether.
 
Austria-Hungary's dual monarchy didn't occur in a vacuum, it was part of a complicated historical process and interplay between Austria and Hungary that has no clear parallel in the relations of Korea and Japan. It was also a much longer subject-vassal relationship than that between Imperial Japan and Korea (which could probably be most forgivingly dated to 1876 in the case of Japan-Korea versus the 16th century for Austria-Hungary).

You could probably maintain a more independent Korean government in place, but the idea that you could get something like the dual monarchy is IMO pretty out there.

Japan eyed Beijing and a chance to make their Emperor into lord of both the Japanese and Celestial/Dragon throne. Not exactly the mindset of people looking to treat their neighbors as equals.
 
Japan eyed Beijing and a chance to make their Emperor into lord of both the Japanese and Celestial/Dragon throne. Not exactly the mindset of people looking to treat their neighbors as equals.
I am aware. That was kind of my point. Japan isn't going to make a dual monarchy with Korea or China because a dual monarchy would imply a bilateral relationship they weren't willing to assume with others. Japan could have maintained a puppet Kingdom in Korea (as they did do in parts of China) rather than direct annexation as they did in 1910 but that is very different from a dual monarchy.
 
I am aware. That was kind of my point. Japan isn't going to make a dual monarchy with Korea or China because a dual monarchy would imply a bilateral relationship they weren't willing to assume with others. Japan could have maintained a puppet Kingdom in Korea (as they did do in parts of China) rather than direct annexation as they did in 1910 but that is very different from a dual monarchy.

And my point was trying to reinforce the point of mutual agreement however poorly the wording to do so came across.
 
Japan did have "somewhat decent" model colonies such as Taiwan.

It shouldn't be too difficult for the same mentality to be applied to Korea and Manchuria.

China (excluding Manchuria) is a whole different beast that Japan is best to avoid altogether.
Won't work, unless the Japanese have the wisdom not to send over settlers.
 
I actually think it would be pretty easy for Japan to keep Taiwan, much less so for Korea. Korea just had too large a population as well as a preexisting national identity that would make it hard for Japan to hold onto in the long run. If Japan maintains high birth rates for some reason though, I suppose you could create some sort of situation where you can simply send out enough Japanese colonists to create a stronger hold on Korea though
 
I actually think it would be pretty easy for Japan to keep Taiwan
Taiwan is still going to require an iron fist to rule given the Japanese view of the Taiwanese and Taiwanese desires.
I suppose you could create some sort of situation where you can simply send out enough Japanese colonists to create a stronger hold on Korea though
Japanese colonies held a position similar to Europeans in their African colonies.

, I suppose you could create some sort of situation where you can simply send out enough Japanese colonists to create a stronger hold on Korea though
Any increase in Japanese settlement is going to be offset by a higher Korean and Taiwanese birthrate compared to otl's.
 
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POD any time after 1910 (Japanese annexation of Korea). How can Japan keep control over its colonies without the situation devolving into the egregious violations of human rights seen in OTL? Is there any way for Japan to both keep long-term control over its colonies AND provide for good living standards/basic rights in Korea, Taiwan etc. (possibly a federation?)
Simple, by giving Japan fairer deals via the like of the Washington Naval Treaty and accepting the Racial Equality Proposal (though that part would require not having Wilson as POTUS).
 
Taiwan is still going to require an iron fist to rule given the Japanese view of the Taiwanese and Taiwanese desires.

Japanese colonies held a position similar to Europeans in their African colonies.


Any increase in Japanese settlement is going to be offset by a higher Korean and Taiwanese birthrate compared to otl's.
I think you're underestimating the degree to which Taiwan had already been integrated into Japan OTL. You also are comparing two very different situations. Japan and its colonies are nothing like Europe and their colonies. Japanese leaders in the interwar period were expecting the Japanese population to be 150 million by 1950 (the exact phrasing was something like "150 million by midcentury"). If you're able to find a way to make that correct (which is a big if), theres absolutely more than enough people for the Japanese to send out to colonize a place like Taiwan, a place that had a population of only 4.5 million by 1930. Also, Taiwan is fairly close in proximity to Japan and had largely been integrated successfully OTL as I said before, which makes it far easier for an authoritarian regime to ship off a few million colonists if they feel it necessary. I just don't see how you can say that Taiwan wouldn't have been able to be colonized successfully.

Again, Korea is a separate matter and it would be much more difficult (if not impossible) for the Japanese to hold Korea over the long run
 
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