It's still not stopping other major Western clans like the Mōri from using the restoration of imperial powers as a pretext to overthrow the Oda chancellery though.That is true considering how the southern regions' maritime focus are something the government of Japan ittl are focused on too, and their influence alongside Kansai would be the main cultural heart of Japan ittl. Kanto's dialects would be seen as backwards and the 'stereotypical farmer's accent', and I see them being the main 'counter culture' of Japan. They'd probably be conservatives and practice shinto and buddhism.
I'd think that even tho the Emperor (with a bunch of allies) could probably wrest power back to their own hands, the Nobunagas would be much harder to depose fully than the Tokugawas of otl because the Nobunagas' power comes from their control over the colonies just as much as it comes from the Kansai and the south. I think internal squabbles in the Nobunaga faction that leads to one subfaction allying with the Kanto nobles and giving the emperor more powers (and maaaybe a lower house if the ppl get lucky, it'd probably be for the merchants just as much tho) would be likely.Oh, wait. The emperor can also call the Sangi-shu himself! That's one step that can make the entire process way faster (and hopefully more peaceful) than it could have been, since he already has a legitimate forum to promulgate his potential edict to confiscate a part or even the entirety of the Oda domains! Talk about the confiscator becoming the confiscated!
That said - while the Chancellery may already have transcended the Oda clan itself as the latter increasingly breaks into cadet branches and wanes vis-a-vis to the crystalising and formally clan-impartial central government - it's still a formidable power to confront though, especially when it's united and motivated against a well-defined enemy.
Yeah that's what I thought, thanks for that.Yes, Chacha of OTL married Emperor Go-Yozei.
On one hand I can see why the Ming would be concerned, but considering that the Ming were largely isolationist at this point, I think it would largely be left to circumstance whether the Chinese act or not.The Ming must be worried, Japan, Korea, and Siam are all expanding.
The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been.On one hand I can see why the Ming would be concerned, but considering that the Ming were largely isolationist at this point. I think it would largely be left to circumstance whether the Chinese act or not.
Personally I'd like to see China go through a period of being split into multiple states due to a weak dynasty and foreign actors.
And they're not exactly as "barbaric" to boot, with two of them even being Confucian. Japan even had a completely sovereign huangdi counterpart in the form of its mikado, even if it's theoretical due to being definitively puppeted by the chancellor's government.The Ming must be worried, Japan, Korea, and Siam are all expanding.
I wonder if they will ever stop being so bloody-minded about the idea of dynastic change and other forms of power struggles.The Empire may have gotten some good emperors recently but the corruption that caused the Famines, plague, civil unrest, and court intrigue are still there and ready to bubble back up one a weaker emperors raised during the good times take to the throne.
I always assumed the the Qing pushed the Barbarian message harder then there predecessor to make themselfs look betterAnd they're not exactly as "barbaric" to boot,
I know Korea is Confucian but what is the other one? Japan and the Yuan should be guided by a plethora of ideology’s and religions, and Siam is Buddhist.with two of them even being Confucian.
Actually The imperial household probably has more power under the Chancellors the they had under the shogunates, I have seen example’s of Imperial political actions that the tokugawa would never have allowed.Japan even had a completely sovereign huangdi counterpart in the form of its mikado, even if it's theoretical due to being definitively puppeted by the chancellor's government.
while Chinese civil wars can get interesting (bloody) all places have fights for power. I bet the Roman Empire would have preferred the mandate dynasty cycle that China had then the system they hadI wonder if they will ever stop being so bloody-minded about the idea of dynastic change and other forms of power struggles.
Conservative Confucianists will probably push back hard.The question now is: how far will Macau and its appointed mandarins will permit the budding western studies within the city and its surrounding environs go? That will satisfy a large part of the question whether the Ming court will finally adopt some crucial innovations like double-entry bookkeeping and fractional-reserve banking once and for all.
I had Japan in mind with this; well, they must still have concerned themselves with its ideas even if it's not the ideology itself of the state.I know Korea is Confucian but what is the other one? Japan and the Yuan should be guided by a plethora of ideology’s and religions, and Siam is Buddhist.
It's owing to their bureaucrats' ability to embezzle so much resources and purge their opponents with much more expedient schemes that their centralised imperial government enable them. The outsiders that lose out from that arrangement — not necessarily land-holders — then form cults and salt gangs that didn't have much in way in legal standing but tended to be wildly popular when people get really pissed off.
Were most of the Qing Mandarins IOTL really are that snobbish and ignorant in regards to the circulating western literature in Macau?Conservative Confucianists will probably push back hard.
I suppose they desperately wanted to keep up legitimacy thur strong Confucianist credentials as a foreign dynasty and avoid the fate of the Yuan. The Ming will not have to deal with be a hundred Han Chinese secret societies and triads trying to sabotage and rebel rouse against then from the get go should they try to in-act western influenced reforms.Were most of the Qing Mandarins IOTL really are that snobbish and ignorant in regards to the circulating western literature in Macau?
Until China as a concept dies they'll never stop thinking like that: China, unlike Rome always had a political aspect to it (the it'll always reunite bit) unlike how the Europeans just claiming the cultural aspect of it all when they claim to be the descendants of Rome. China being reunited every few hundred years meant that doing everything to reunite the disparate lands of the empire is something that must be done.I wonder if they will ever stop being so bloody-minded about the idea of dynastic change and other forms of power struggles.
Yeah a bad emperor or two would make things spiral out of control quickly, considering that the main problems in the empire still haven't been rooted out.The Ming may have avoided the costly and expensive imjin war, but Japan is much stronger and wealthier because of it. The Ming have triumphed over the Jin but The Joseon and Yuan are growing stronger because of it. The empire may have opened itself to all trade in Macau but the western powers will profit and expand there destabilizing influence because of it. The Empire may have gotten some good emperors recently but the corruption that caused the Famines, plague, civil unrest, and court intrigue are still there and ready to bubble back up one a weaker emperor raised during the good times takes to the throne.
Considering that rice agriculture meant that you needed a lot more hands on deck but that you could make more calories it makes sense that being the guy who took taxes meant that you'd be making more money in general, and it also meant that the sciences were retarded because you could just find another dude to do stuff for you. Being a merchant didn't make a lot of sense unless you were in the South, where arable land was concentrated in the valleys and you're basically forced to leave as there isn't enough space when populations grow.Perhaps, China is just that big that you'll get rich faster by becoming a bureaucrat than being an ever-frowned-upon merchant.
hmm I meant in the long term like in the 19th century, but yeah this makes sense, considering how cambodia had a distinct culture and their own empires for centuries before thailand even existed.That probably won’t happen but Cambodia is closer to a protectorate now than just a simple tributary or vassal for sure.