Phenomenal chapter!! Can’t wait to see how Japan handles its new acquisitions.
Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun
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Hopefully better than the europeans the last thing they need is their own India or Alegeria
Depends on who will be sent to administrate it; if it's someone from Luzon, then it's more likely going to be Raj-like than not, though my fingers' still crossed with the other daimyos and even nobles.
They conquered with exploitation in mind, after all.
Anyways — can we have a map of SEA @Ambassador Huntsman ? Did the Japanese really just really don't get at least a port in Maluku Utara? If yes — they've just set themselves to a more dubious arrangement in their power projection over the region as the Japanese have just opened themselves to potential leverage and harassment from Tidore, which they don't necessarily have to like.
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Yes. Yeah Tidore scooped up all of Maluku Utara in the peace treaty, it’s gonna be interesting to say the least. I can work on a map and get it out along with an updated Europe map after the Bourbon Wars.
Is this going to hurt Japanese/French relations? Does Azuchi share the same view of the French after this? Or is it just Nakanoin Michimi?
Looking at OTL later on, and what happens when supposed allies of Japan decides to go behind Japan’s back and not treat them like an equal…
…Yep, I believe it’s not going to be great for Japanese-French relations in future wars
In all seriousness, I do believe that this would damage Japanese-French relations had the other terms went through.
A lot of it is just Nakanoin Michimi because his father and grandfather have been to Paris before and as a court noble, he’s just kinda proud in general. He spits out the insult in French too and isn’t using a translator or just randomly screaming in Japanese.
So, off topic, but I came up with an idea. Remember how I asked about the Aguro Clan's kamon? I'm thinking what would be a good idea for a Kamon of Sakuma Moritora. Yes, the Sakuma Clan already has a kamon, but it seems to be the common Hikiryō mon of parallel lines.
Maybe Sakuma Moritora could have his own personal kamon, separate to the Clan's original or even replacing it. Sort of like how Saito Dosan had the 'Wave' kamon contrasting to the other Nadeshiko kamon of the Saito Clan, or Uesugi Kenshin using the Kanji of 'bishamonten' contrast to the Uesugi's 'two sparrows'
In the case of Sakuma Moritora, what about leaning into the theme of the 'Tiger of the North' by adopting a symbol relating to tigers. I think he could've adopt the 'White Tiger of the West' symbol, one of the Four Symbols in Chinese Constellations, or known as Byakko in Japan or Baekho in Korea:
(Found this online)
I think it would fit Moritora, since he fought in Manchuria, a region once under Chinese influence and sort of West of Japan, and ties back to that whole mythologization of the man.
Maybe Sakuma Moritora could have his own personal kamon, separate to the Clan's original or even replacing it. Sort of like how Saito Dosan had the 'Wave' kamon contrasting to the other Nadeshiko kamon of the Saito Clan, or Uesugi Kenshin using the Kanji of 'bishamonten' contrast to the Uesugi's 'two sparrows'
In the case of Sakuma Moritora, what about leaning into the theme of the 'Tiger of the North' by adopting a symbol relating to tigers. I think he could've adopt the 'White Tiger of the West' symbol, one of the Four Symbols in Chinese Constellations, or known as Byakko in Japan or Baekho in Korea:
(Found this online)
I think it would fit Moritora, since he fought in Manchuria, a region once under Chinese influence and sort of West of Japan, and ties back to that whole mythologization of the man.
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Honestly I like this idea though maybe more as a personal battle banner like Takeda Shingen’s fuurin kazan banner or Uesugi Kenshin “gi 義” and “bi 毘” banners (lattter after bishamonten).
So, I have another weird fun question from the perspective of a hypothetical modern ITTL Japan. I hope I'm not pushy about this question.
In real life, there are crazy folktales, urban legends and theories about Feudal Japan, especially in the Sengoku Jidai, that do get translated into pop culture and fiction a lot.
For example, my personal two favorites are:
1) Uesugi Kenshin was actually a woman
2) Akechi Mitsuhide didn't die at Yamazaki, becoming the monk known as Tenkai*
Some other theories I've also heard about that I'll mentioned are:
1. Ishida Mitsunari escaped and didn't die after losing Sekighara
2. Sanada Yukimura actually killed Tokugawa Ieyasu at Osaka, and Ieyasu had to be replaced with body double shortly afterwards.
3. Either Toyotomi Hideyori or his son survived Osaka.
4. Amakusa Shirō was the illegitimate son of Hideyori
(Slightly off topic, but another theory I'll mention that isn't from the Sengoku or Edo period is one about Minamoto no Yoshitsune surviving and fleeing to the mainland to become Genghis Khan. This was completely made up in the late 19th Century and completely fictional, but it made its appearances in fiction.)
Obviously, these are just urban legends, folk tales or theories that aren't true whatsoever. They're just for fun in fiction a lot, like the first two I mentioned. And obviously most of these theories are butterflied away ITTL, because either these people had actual death dates, or most of these guys are irrelevant or not even born.
Now saying all this, what are some crazy ideas for folktales, urban legends and theories that could've arose in this timeline throughout the centuries, and theories that could go onto influence pop culture?
Personally, I think one idea that could arose is the idea of Konoe Toshishige didn't die in Lake Biwa, since his body was never found, which could spiral into many theories about what happened to him after. Although, a funny idea as a meta-joke is theories in the present day arising that Akechi Mitsuhide conspired to assassinate Oda Nobunaga, even though it didn't happen. (Yes, I know we the readers know he was planning, but its just a fun meta joke)
Anyone else have any ideas for theories that could arisen ITTL to influence later pop culture?
*(Sidenote: I wonder whatever happened to Tenkai ITTL. He played an important role in the OTL early Tokugawa Shogunate, and apparently lived a long time till the age 107.)
In real life, there are crazy folktales, urban legends and theories about Feudal Japan, especially in the Sengoku Jidai, that do get translated into pop culture and fiction a lot.
For example, my personal two favorites are:
1) Uesugi Kenshin was actually a woman
2) Akechi Mitsuhide didn't die at Yamazaki, becoming the monk known as Tenkai*
Some other theories I've also heard about that I'll mentioned are:
1. Ishida Mitsunari escaped and didn't die after losing Sekighara
2. Sanada Yukimura actually killed Tokugawa Ieyasu at Osaka, and Ieyasu had to be replaced with body double shortly afterwards.
3. Either Toyotomi Hideyori or his son survived Osaka.
4. Amakusa Shirō was the illegitimate son of Hideyori
(Slightly off topic, but another theory I'll mention that isn't from the Sengoku or Edo period is one about Minamoto no Yoshitsune surviving and fleeing to the mainland to become Genghis Khan. This was completely made up in the late 19th Century and completely fictional, but it made its appearances in fiction.)
Obviously, these are just urban legends, folk tales or theories that aren't true whatsoever. They're just for fun in fiction a lot, like the first two I mentioned. And obviously most of these theories are butterflied away ITTL, because either these people had actual death dates, or most of these guys are irrelevant or not even born.
Now saying all this, what are some crazy ideas for folktales, urban legends and theories that could've arose in this timeline throughout the centuries, and theories that could go onto influence pop culture?
Personally, I think one idea that could arose is the idea of Konoe Toshishige didn't die in Lake Biwa, since his body was never found, which could spiral into many theories about what happened to him after. Although, a funny idea as a meta-joke is theories in the present day arising that Akechi Mitsuhide conspired to assassinate Oda Nobunaga, even though it didn't happen. (Yes, I know we the readers know he was planning, but its just a fun meta joke)
Anyone else have any ideas for theories that could arisen ITTL to influence later pop culture?
*(Sidenote: I wonder whatever happened to Tenkai ITTL. He played an important role in the OTL early Tokugawa Shogunate, and apparently lived a long time till the age 107.)
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Toshishige not dying in Lake Biwa sounds very enticing. In terms of others, I might have to think more. Honestly could deserve its own chapter. I just need to insert it at a point between all the war and politics.
Chapter 149: Padishah Mustafa and Tsar Peter
Chapter 149: Padishah Mustafa and Tsar Peter
After the deposition of Mehmed IV in 1687, the Ottoman Empire saw the short reigns of padishahs Suleiman II and Ahmed II, both of whom oversaw the rest of the Great Turkish War that would end in humiliating defeat at the 1692 Treaty of Karlowitz. In 1695, Ahmed II died and was succeeded by his nephew and Mehmed IV’s firstborn son Mustafa. Upon his ascension, padishah Mustafa II was determined to recover his realm’s prestige and regain the lost lands in the hands of the Poles, Venetians, and Habsburgs. He would, however, be forced to bide his time as Europe was largely at peace at the moment and the Sublime Porte was still licking his wounds from Karlowitz and the total loss of Hungary. Instead, under the guidance of grand vizier Elmas Mehmed Pasha, the realm would undergo a myriad of reforms over the next several years. The devalued currency would be flushed with mints of new gold and silver coins that bore the name of the padishah, restoring volume to the treasury. Elmas Mehmed Pasha would also pursue a closer partnership with France and took in several French military advisors in an effort to modernize the Ottoman military.
However, when the Bourbon Wars broke out at the end of 1700, the Sublime Porte wisely stayed out, not wanting to trigger the entry of more European wars against the Bourbon side or undermining the popularity of Philip of Anjou amongst the Castilian nobility through the presence of the Islamic superpower in the conflict. Instead, with most of Europe embroiled either in the Bourbon Wars or the Third Northern War, Mustafa II would declare war on the Venetian Republic in December 1701, intent on reversing all of that polity’s territorial gains from their previous conflict. The grand vizier himself would oversee the military campaign and at the head of an army of 80,000 entered Venetian territory in June 1702. In anticipation of such an invasion, the Republic had fortified key cities such as Athens, Thebes, and Nauplia and strengthened their garrisons. However, Venice’s declining power and wealth as well as insufficient time made their attempts futile as Elmas Mehmed’s army easily swept through all of Greece north of the Peloponnese except for Athens which had strong naval support from the Venetian navy and the Republic's stalwart stronghold of Crete. Even then, however, the Ottoman fleet was able to defeat the Venetians at sea and the siege of Athens would wrap up in under 2 months, resulting in damage to the fortified Parthenon as in the 1687 siege of Athens from the previous conflict. Tinos and Aegina, the last Venetian possessions in the Aegean Sea, would also fall during this time.
Elmas Mehmed Pasha quickly moved into the Peloponnese, where the Venetians hoped the mountainous terrain and fortified positions would give them a shot at withstanding the Turks. Indeed, the Ottoman army was slowed once it entered the peninsula and they began to be bogged down in sieges as Cretan and Venetian troops resisted from their key centers and conducted guerrilla warfare in the countryside. Unfortunately for the Venetians, the local populace would be hardly supportive of them as the Republic had been poor governors that had actively imposed the Catholic Church in the predominantly Greek Orthodox territory. This minimized the guerrilla warfare by the Republic, allowing the Turks to maintain secure supply lines. As a result, they eventually captured Corinth and Argos while Nauplia would fall in early 1703. By spring, all of mainland Greece had been reconquered by the Ottomans.
However, when the Bourbon Wars broke out at the end of 1700, the Sublime Porte wisely stayed out, not wanting to trigger the entry of more European wars against the Bourbon side or undermining the popularity of Philip of Anjou amongst the Castilian nobility through the presence of the Islamic superpower in the conflict. Instead, with most of Europe embroiled either in the Bourbon Wars or the Third Northern War, Mustafa II would declare war on the Venetian Republic in December 1701, intent on reversing all of that polity’s territorial gains from their previous conflict. The grand vizier himself would oversee the military campaign and at the head of an army of 80,000 entered Venetian territory in June 1702. In anticipation of such an invasion, the Republic had fortified key cities such as Athens, Thebes, and Nauplia and strengthened their garrisons. However, Venice’s declining power and wealth as well as insufficient time made their attempts futile as Elmas Mehmed’s army easily swept through all of Greece north of the Peloponnese except for Athens which had strong naval support from the Venetian navy and the Republic's stalwart stronghold of Crete. Even then, however, the Ottoman fleet was able to defeat the Venetians at sea and the siege of Athens would wrap up in under 2 months, resulting in damage to the fortified Parthenon as in the 1687 siege of Athens from the previous conflict. Tinos and Aegina, the last Venetian possessions in the Aegean Sea, would also fall during this time.
Elmas Mehmed Pasha quickly moved into the Peloponnese, where the Venetians hoped the mountainous terrain and fortified positions would give them a shot at withstanding the Turks. Indeed, the Ottoman army was slowed once it entered the peninsula and they began to be bogged down in sieges as Cretan and Venetian troops resisted from their key centers and conducted guerrilla warfare in the countryside. Unfortunately for the Venetians, the local populace would be hardly supportive of them as the Republic had been poor governors that had actively imposed the Catholic Church in the predominantly Greek Orthodox territory. This minimized the guerrilla warfare by the Republic, allowing the Turks to maintain secure supply lines. As a result, they eventually captured Corinth and Argos while Nauplia would fall in early 1703. By spring, all of mainland Greece had been reconquered by the Ottomans.
Fortress at Nauplia
From there, Elmas Mehmed Pasha set his sights on the Greek islands under Venetian control, especially Crete. It was here that Turkish war efforts began to falter as the Venetian navy, supported by its stronghold in Crete, were able to stop any efforts by the Turks to take Crete or the Ionian islands. Under the command of Captain General of the Sea Andrea Pisani [1], the Venetians successfully repulsed the Turks from Corfu and Candia and the war began to stall. With civil war breaking out in the Ottoman vassal of Imereti and potential conflict with Russia looming over the horizon, the padishah soon entered peace talks with Venetian doge Alvise II Mocenigo. In the Treaty of Pravaza in 1705, the Republic ceded its Greek mainland holdings to the Turks but was able to secure the return of Tinos and Aegina while retaining Crete and the Ionian archipelago.
Shortly after the signing of the treaty did the Azov War commence between the Sublime Porte and Moscow as well as their vassals, the Crimean Khanate and Zaporozhian Hetmanate respectively. Fresh off his victory in the Third Northern War, tsar Peter now turned towards his main goal of securing a warm water port for Russia. He would decide on attacking the Ottomans for access to the Black Sea over the Swedes and their Baltic access, seeing the former as an easier target that would not gain any assistance from any European Christian powers. Hetman Ivan Mazepa played a critical role in this decision, assuring Peter of the full support from his Cossacks in a war against the Turks. At the end of 1705, Peter declared war on Constantinople and began advancing upon Azov, the port whose conquest the tsar now sought.
The tsar subsequently oversaw the construction of a new fleet that he would personally lead to battle. In the spring of 1706, this fleet would sail down the Don in conjunction with land forces, the Russians led by field marshal Boris Sheremetev and the Cossacks led by Mazepa himself. After the sizable Turkish fleet was driven off, the Russians would bombard the port from land and sea, with Mazepa and his Cossacks holding back a horde of Tatars under the command of Gaza III Giray. This overwhelming assault would succeed, the garrison of Azov surrendering to Peter in July of that year.
Depiction of the 1706 Russian capture of Azov
Russo-Cossack forces, however, would fail to make further gains after the capture of Azov. Elmas Mehmed Pasha now led the same army that had reconquered mainland Greece from Venice towards Crimea, marching through Commonwealth-controlled Yedisan. The Commonwealth, which was still licking its wounds from its recent conflict against Russia, turned a blind eye to the Turkish march, eager to see the tsar humbled from his high horse. At the same time, George XI of Kartli [2], a vassal of Constantinople, led a smaller army composed of Georgians and other subject peoples of the Ottoman Caucasus northwards through Circassia into Russia. These two armies, together with the Crimean Tatars and the Ottoman navy, would come at Peter from all sides, preventing him from seizing further land. The grand vizier would even defeat the Russians led by Peter himself at the Battle of Perekop in 1707, although Elmas Mehmed Pasha would fall in battle in the process. However, Azov Fortress would be quickly fortified even further, making it and its surroundings impenetrable during the 1708 siege of Azov, this time seeing the Turks and their Caucasian and Crimean allies unsuccessfully besieging the key port. In the Treaty of Adrianople in 1709, Mustafa II would cede Azov and its surroundings to tsar Peter. It was upon this victory that Peter declared himself “emperor and autocrat of all Russia”, adapting to Western norms of royal titling [3].
Although set back by the outcome, Mustafa II would continue on the path his late grand vizier Elmas Mehmed Pasha had laid in renewing the strength of his vast realm. The padishah also built upon the greater integration of his Caucasian subjects into the affairs of the Sublime Porte, elevating the status of George XI of Kartli. This included resolving the ongoing civil war in Imereti in favor of George VII Bagrationi. On the other hand, the acquisition of Azov was yet another success under Peter’s belt, accomplishing his dream while keeping his word to Mazepa’s Cossacks. The Russian emperor’s gaze now lay upon two bodies of water: the Baltic Sea within the Swedish domain and the Pacific Ocean all the way out in Siberia, a battleground between the Rus and the Japanese.
Portrait of padishah Mustafa II
[1]: Becomes Captain General earlier ITTL.
[2]: IOTL, he is sent eastwards as a Safavid general and governor to Kandahar where his severe oppression of the Afghan tribes leads to his deposition and death at the hands of Mirwais Khan Hotak. None of this happens ITTL due to the Ottoman conquest of the Persian Caucasus in the middle of the 17th century.
[3]: Happens in 1721 after the end of the Great Northern War IOTL.
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@Ambassador Huntsman ! Amazing work!
Always happy to see the ottomans get a beating! Hope they never take back what they lost
Peter became Emperor early! nice!
Although i hope sweden and Japan can resist russia's attempts of squashing their influence.
Always happy to see the ottomans get a beating! Hope they never take back what they lost
Peter became Emperor early! nice!
Although i hope sweden and Japan can resist russia's attempts of squashing their influence.
Good chapter. Looks like the Russian Tsardom has become the Russian Empire
Iran and India is going a very interesting century ahead
Hopefully the Ottomans can strike back against the Poles and Hapsburgs soon and recover their Balkan holdings, something that funnily enough, might see them supported by Russia given that with a much stronger PLC and Swedes as well as the Russians not having full control of the far ends of Siberia TTL, would mean that they would focus more of their energy into expanding their borders against the Swedes and the Poles, especially given that outside of the Crimean Khanate(which could be thrown to the Russian Bear depending on the circumstances) and with no Russian conquest of the Caucasus due to Peter I hearing the rumors of gold in Azerbaijan the Russians and Ottomans benefit each much more given stuff like the trade in the Black Sea.
wait, THAT'S WHY RUSSIA CONQUERED THE CAUCASUS? sometimes is hard to remember that Peter is one of Russia's greatest monarchs when you hear things like that, well luckily the sh*tshow that is modern day Caucasus isn't happening
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