Wew, well we finally get a glimpse of the mess that is Africa ITTL... And to think that these were the succesful ones, i fear to think about French West Africa or International Congo, they must be freaking dystopian.

Did the independent states after the war suffer from civil war? How succesful is the Zentralafrikanische Partnerschaft today? I've seen part of Nigeria wants to join. How were the remaining german settlers treated? Was their nationalisation/redistribution of their assets?

What was the Afrikanische Wehrmacht?

Looking next to kamerun, i see Fernando Po/Bioko seems British aligned, i imagine it was sold in the 19th century (as Britain repeatedly offered spain IRL), I imagine it had a pretty large british military presence during the central african war, how developped is it today?

Btw, how did "Tanganyika/Rwanda/Burundi" come into existence? Were they german colony or not. How's life there?

Again, i'd love to see Native African initiatives and reaction to the Ultracolonialism of this TL, also interested by the various Chinese/Ethiopian/Lao/Cambodian international help and anti colonial actions and support.
 
Wew, well we finally get a glimpse of the mess that is Africa ITTL... And to think that these were the succesful ones, i fear to think about French West Africa or International Congo, they must be freaking dystopian.

Yes, it is an Algeria-meets-Vietnam War performed by Imperial Germans in a TL where there hasn't been no Eastern Front, Nuremberg Trials nor Declaration of Human Rights, it couldn't be smooth.

Did the independent states after the war suffer from civil war?

Thankfully not, the Hohenzollernstadt Accords procured a transitional period to train the new native administration and prepare the countries for a parliamentary democratic system, modelled after the British system to emancipate her colonies.

How succesful is the Zentralafrikanische Partnerschaft today? I've seen part of Nigeria wants to join.

Quite well for TTL's standards, by OTL I guess not bad, better than our Latin America at minimum. Yes, Nigeria wants to discuss further integration with its neighbours but full membership would mean trade barriers with the British, something than sets them off.

How were the remaining german settlers treated? Was their nationalisation/redistribution of their assets?

As outlined in the wikipage, the new native states respected the agreements with Germany (not without disagreements and discussions among different factions of the new political elites) and those German-Africans who whished could accede to citizenship in their respective countries. Their property was respected as long as they did resided regularly in the countries, but there were new taxes and regulations forcing the German bussinesses to contribute more to the state-building and the development of welfare states as a means of reparations. By 2020, I'd say that German-Africans number around two million, more concentrated in Cameroon and Kongo, up from the million that stayed in 1980, due to a combination of natural increase, return migration when persecutions didn't happen and economic immigration due to the development of Central African industries with the ZentrAf.

What was the Afrikanische Wehrmacht?

The most radical wing of the ZAEFU, spliting into its own militia. It means "African Self Defense Force", and aimed mainly to exterminate German settlers from Central Africa, ironically as it is using a German name (but the independence struggle was led by the Westernized Black/Mixed urban middle class, so generally German-speaking). Although its membership never rose higher than 10.000, they were heavily persecuted by the German commandos and suffered repression the most. The casualties given is the official German account of members and *alleged* supporters killed/executed.

Looking next to kamerun, i see Fernando Po/Bioko seems British aligned, i imagine it was sold in the 19th century (as Britain repeatedly offered spain IRL), I imagine it had a pretty large british military presence during the central african war, how developped is it today?

It was seized by the British during the Spanish Schism, like the Canary Islands, but I haven't really developed that area much beyond that, I'll take note to flesh it in the future.


Btw, how did "Tanganyika/Rwanda/Burundi" come into existence? Were they german colony or not. How's life there?

Yes, they were German East Africa, but they didn't see much action during the Colonial War. Once the Hohenzollernstadt Accords were signed, a civil campaign was organized by the native middle class lobbying for selfdetermination, and they achieved independence without much blood spilling (because, well, all the blood spilling that Germans could bear was done in Central Africa). About the life there, again I have not thought much about it, but I believe being a stable democracy since the mid-80s has led to a good country.


Again, i'd love to see Native African initiatives and reaction to the Ultracolonialism of this TL

I'll take that in consideration. I certainly believe it can be a good narrative source, both the African reaction against colonialism and the contempt some groups may have for those still under the Western heel (I envision that, especially in the Central African countries, a feeling of "we could break the chains Germans imposed upon us, yet you continue under a decrepit power such as France" could develop).

also interested by the various Chinese/Ethiopian/Lao/Cambodian international help and anti colonial actions and support.

That is yet another stance of me unpurpously leaving fragments of the original template :oops: But yes, China is one of the most if not the most anticolonial sponsor ITTL, Ethiopia also. Laos and Cambodia weren't originally intended, but I'm thinking about a China-based exile that could fit. The groups on the German side could fit as Afrikaner volunteers also.


God damn that Central African War was brutal. I love this timeline

Thank you very much!
 
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Ironic they both ended up dying terrorists. Did Hitler have a specific reason to kill the Emperor or was he mad no one liked his art? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It felt right for these two to have parallel destinies, dictators IOTL and terrorists ITTL.

Hitler volunteered to fight for the German Coalition during the Great War, at a younger age than his OTL's WWI experience, and was similarily radicalized. His previous German nationalist inclinations exacerbated, but unlike OTL were he was ingulfed by the "stab in the back" myth, here the war was won by the Germans and a unified Germany came into existence from the victory. After being discharged from the army, Hitler had difficulties earning a living in Munich and decided to return to Vienna, where he joined the growing German nationalist Deutsche Volkspartei. His resentment was turned towards the monarchy he considered responsible from impeding the unification, and, inspired by a similar failed attempt by Yugoslav nationalists, decided to take down Emperor Franz Joseph in order to provoke the collapse of the Habsburg Monarchy.
 
Did the Russian flu have any real effect on the outcome of the Great War? Did it also help create the conditions that ended in the Russian revolution?
 
Did the Russian flu have any real effect on the outcome of the Great War? Did it also help create the conditions that ended in the Russian revolution?

It is debated, but in French historiography it is acknowledged that the Russian flu was a contributing factor to the break of the French war effort in late 1910.

Yes, the disease, though not the direct cause, was one of the multiple factors that pushed Russia to revolution, and even other countries like France.


So is this just the Spanish Flu, but with a different name due to being identified in Russia first?

Depends on which theory of origin you believe most likely in OTL, but yes, is an earlier analogue with a similar effect but different route to Europe that is reflected in the name. Nobody expects the non-Spanish flu XD
 
So you’re allowed to simultaneously be within the Reichstag and hold another public office ITTL?

Depends on the particular office, for example you cannot compatibilize it with being member of the Bundesrat or certain state parliaments, but there is no conflict with local offices. I mainly base it on OTL Imperial legislation, but I have looked at it lightly.
 
I'll answer you here not to saturate the wikibox thread.
Uh-oh, a "Third" regime.....

I didn't mean it as a parallel to the Third Reich, in fact it is an analogue to Weimar Germany XD

This is cool, but I have some questions:

1. Why did Jaures, while a reformist social democrat but at the same time a noted pacifist, support purges against socialists?
2. Will Lagardelle leave labour movement and turn to natsynd/fascism at least for some time like he did in OTL? What if failure of revolution would lead to his disillusionment with socialism and he will try to found a new movement with Valois and others?

Keep in mind that I'm not versed in French history, I have searched the info and people to present a scenario I had already mostly designed, so pardon if there are blatant mistakes that I'll say that come from butterflies.

1. During the Great War, the opposition to the Napoleonic regime attempted to present a unitary front, establishing the Social Republican Party by a merger of various republican factions (Pointcaré, Clemenceau), the socialdemocratic majoritarian section of the SFIO (Jaurès, Allemane), Liberals and even dissenting Conservatives (Thiebaud, Piou). It is this PSR that finds itself as the largest faction of the Assembly at the time of the Revolution, and thus attempts to direct it towards a socialdemocratic republic.

The extra-PSR socialists (led by Guesde), however, having seen what happened in Russia distrust anything but the proclamation of a worker's state, and radicalized working masses go beyond and organize their own worker's republic supported by these socialists. Like in 1918 Germany IOTL, the PSR finds that it has to ally itself with the establishment against radical socialists/communists because thoso refuse ti compromise. Jaurès would probably oppose the most punitive measures, but it's that or a right wing dictatorship.

2. Certainly he can deviate to fascism, but it means a completely different thing ITTL. I haven't really thought much about the Third Republic yet, beyond it being plagued by political instability and extremism and violence both from the far right and left, so I'll see.
 
Glad to see it back, awesome update!

Stupid question but wasn’t Togo ever a thing? It’s teritories are french there.

Also could you tell us a bit about the Philippines, when did it become independent? What’s its history and how is t today?
 
Glad to see it back, awesome update!

Thanks!

Stupid question but wasn’t Togo ever a thing? It’s teritories are french there.

No, Togo has been French all along.
It doesn't mean it will be forever...

Also could you tell us a bit about the Philippines, when did it become independent? What’s its history and how is t today?

Yeah, it seems a good place to go next, since I can advance you that TTL's Philippines is a Hispanic country and this TL should focus especially on the Hispanic world.

Nothing is set on stone yet, but when I developed the basics, the Philippines started loyal to Ferdinand during the Schism, then under authority of Mexico City and broke free during the civil wars of the mid-19th century. Then probably developed as a Latin-Americanesque republic under British protection. It would obviously need much more flavour, but that's the original idea.

I like what you did with Trump and Sanders. And Hitler and Stalin.

Thanks!
 
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