No Yugo Slavia after WW2

Hashasheen

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as seen above, what if they were divided into smaller states based on ethnicity or language? what would it take to have it happen like this, and what would the butterflys from this P.O.D be?
 
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Well, I guess you could have Yugoslavia partitioned cold-war style in 1945. But if this happened you'd probably see Yugoslavia cut up instead of all of the states we have today.

Slovenia and Croatia become part of the allied Camp--Slovenia might wind up becoming part of Austria, or not.

Serbia is formed as a Pro-Soviet state; Bulgaria annexes Macedonia.

Making it the same mess in 1946 as it is today would be a hard thing to do.
 
I think that the Communist regime of the serbs might have been able to hold onto Serbia and Macedonia but Slovenia might have joined Austria in 1945 while Croatia bedame and independent country and Montenegro also becomes independent.
 
Well first of all have Yugoslavia join Germany in the pact of steel etc, and have the Soviets march all over them.
If Yugoslavia joins the pact of steel the Croats will be easy recruitment for the Partisans and Croatia it self will probably be the first part of Yugoslavia for an western allied invasion. This leads me to wonder will Croatia go red, blue or both?
 
I don't see Yugoslavia partitioned after WWII, being a winner. But if it is, then certainly one part will get Western blessing and support, and the other the same by the Soviets. Which means a different iron Curtain line. In turn, this means no possibility of mutual aggression between Croatians and Serbians. Or, should I say, no possibility of inter-state aggression; internally, with each own's minorities, that's another matter. The winter of 1945-46 will be the worst.

You might have a Western Federation of Croatia and Slovenia, and an Eastern Soviet Republic of Yugoslavia with the rest. Once the Berlin Wall crumbles, most of the OTL strife will be within the latter, since Kosovars and others stil want to part ways. Croatia and Slovenia might also be separated in a Czecho-Slovakian-like almost-friendly settlement.
 
That is part of the "latter" in my post.

Unless if Bosnia is divided into a "West" Bosnia (part of your planned Croat-Slovene alliance, which I find interesting and am thus now waiting to see a TL based on that) and an "East" Bosnia (part of your "Greater Serbia"-like rump Yugoslavia), with Sarajevo split down the middle.
 
Unless if Bosnia is divided into a "West" Bosnia (part of your planned Croat-Slovene alliance, which I find interesting and am thus now waiting to see a TL based on that) and an "East" Bosnia (part of your "Greater Serbia"-like rump Yugoslavia), with Sarajevo split down the middle.

What can I say, let's hope so not. Otherwise, even the assumption that Croatia-Slovenia and Yugoslavia on the other side are different, separate matters may no longer hold true, with both sides making irredentist claims on behalf of "their" Bosnians.
 
Unless if Bosnia is divided into a "West" Bosnia (part of your planned Croat-Slovene alliance, which I find interesting and am thus now waiting to see a TL based on that) and an "East" Bosnia (part of your "Greater Serbia"-like rump Yugoslavia), with Sarajevo split down the middle.

Things would still be messy though...And which minority gets the east and which the west?
 
I imagine the majority Muslims/Bosniaks would not be pleased their homeland's been split in half. ITTL we can easily expect an earlier Bosniak Cultural revival (either with OTL's Alija Izetbegović, or an ATL equivalent). In the 'Socialist Greater Serbia', the gov would prolly do everything in its might to crush them and colonise ethnic Serbs into Bosniak areas (as per OTL after the Balkan Wars and WWI).

Now, in the Croat-Slovene part of Bosnia, this might play out differntly, due to a possibly less heavy-handed reaction. Of course there would be lots of strife, etc., but I imagine a mass migration of the Muslim/Bosniak intellectual elite and possibly large amounts of other civvies to the Croat-Slovene democratic state. Not that I'm saying that the Croats and Slovenes would just accept them with open arms, but there isn't much choice.

All in all, the Serbian side of Bosnia would be a powderkeg, which would blow even worse than OTL once communism falls and we could possibly see an intervention by Croatia due to pressure from Bosniak expats. Then we could see everything go FaT-ish or normalise to somewhat resemble OTL (if barely).
 
I imagine the majority Muslims/Bosniaks would not be pleased their homeland's been split in half. ITTL we can easily expect an earlier Bosniak Cultural revival (either with OTL's Alija Izetbegović, or an ATL equivalent). In the 'Socialist Greater Serbia', the gov would prolly do everything in its might to crush them and colonise ethnic Serbs into Bosniak areas (as per OTL after the Balkan Wars and WWI).

Now, in the Croat-Slovene part of Bosnia, this might play out differntly, due to a possibly less heavy-handed reaction. Of course there would be lots of strife, etc., but I imagine a mass migration of the Muslim/Bosniak intellectual elite and possibly large amounts of other civvies to the Croat-Slovene democratic state. Not that I'm saying that the Croats and Slovenes would just accept them with open arms, but there isn't much choice.
I was about to shed a tear of joy over idyllic picture of bearded Serb Commies oppressing Bosniaks and peaceful civilized Croats losing their sleep over good treatment of Bosnian minority, but the reality is quite different. Sebria is much more multinational than Croatia, by the country mile.
 
I was about to shed a tear of joy over idyllic picture of bearded Serb Commies oppressing Bosniaks and peaceful civilized Croats losing their sleep over good treatment of Bosnian minority, but the reality is quite different. Sebria is much more multinational than Croatia, by the country mile.
Don't be naive. :rolleyes:

They wouldn't oppress them for them belonging to a specific ethnic or religious group, but because they are a reactionary element in society. Other minorities and groups will get oppressed too, like the Albanians, pro-western Serbs, etc.

Muslims/Bosniaks were the subject here because I was talking about the situation in a split Bosnia and Herzegovina. And I did not in any way describe the Croats and Slovenes as Disneyland-ish, only that they would be a pro-western democratic gov'ment (which is basically anything between South Africa and France) AND posses the other half of Bosnia.

And what if Serbia is more multinational than Croatia? What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying the communists in Serbia would NEVER EVER opress a minority or reactionary group just so they wouldn't look bad to the rest of the world? Hell, they'd do it with Stalin's approval, seeing how HE'S done it quite a lot in the good ol' USSR.
 
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