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Adolf Hitler decides not declare war on Poland and others, and decides to focus economy and technology, expand The Axis for economic and ideological purpose, and cooperation between The Axis's nations.
No WW II with Hitler
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If Hitler was out to conquer the world – Britain, Africa, the Middle East, the United States, Canada, South America, India, Asia, Australia – why did he spend three years building that hugely expensive Siegfried Line to protect Germany from France?
Why did he start the war with no surface fleet, no troop transports, and only 29 oceangoing submarines?
How do you conquer the world with a navy that can’t get out of the Baltic Sea? If Hitler wanted the world, why did he not build strategic bombers, instead of two-engine Dorniers and Heinkels that could not even reach Britain from Germany?
Why did he let the British army go at Dunkirk?
Why did he offer the British peace, twice, after Poland fell, and again after France fell?
Hitler wasn't out to conquer the world. He was out to conquer and subjugate Europe, and annex much of Russia.
Because he did not believe the British and French would go to war over Poland. But on the other hand, you don't need troop transports to take over Europe when you're Germany.
He didn't want to conquer the world.
Because he thought that slaughtering them would harden Britain's resolve and make a peace agreement less likely.
Because he wanted peace in the West so he could focus on attacking, and annexing, most of European Russia.
It's actually fairly dubious that the Germans could have taken Dunkirk with any real strength at that time, considering the logistical tightrope that Fall Gelb was ITTL
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And let's not forget all other advancements in Germany under Hitler...
Such as...
Volkswagen
Payed vacations
Autobahn
40 hour work week...
And many many more....
Because you conquer the world a bit at a time, and because he didn't get the particular war he wanted - although he did for just long enough: a blitzfeldzug, then the sitzkrieg - the only time that a delay worked in Nazi Germany's favour.
Dunkirk was also a case of effective Allied resistance in favourable terrain, just enough RAF, and The RN and auxiliary maritime actions.
The Kriegsmarine took up about as much, or more, of national resources as the country could afford - the policy decisions of late 1937 gave future armour plate allocation priorities to the navy, a pretty reliable indicator that the UK was seen as a future enemy, though Hitler aimed at about 1943.
Peace offers on Hitler's terms? Churchill's government was prepared to pass the torch to the USA, not to share it with the Third Reich, as Robert Skidelsky once wrote.
The actions of the state don't really suggest a desire for peace - the desire for lebensraum and the existential requirement to destroy "Jewish Bloshevism" mean any peaceful course was surely impossible.
All of which were possible thanks to foreign slave labor. I'm going to assume that you're getting banned soon for Nazi apologism, but hopefully you'll have time to see this.
All of which were possible thanks to foreign slave labor. I'm going to assume that you're getting banned soon for Nazi apologism, but hopefully you'll have time to see this.
Slave labor came later. First it was stealing the money of every opposition, be it Union, Social Democrats or all the Weimar Coalition dudes. Than Jews, than it was just make debt. The slave labor came with the war.
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I'm going to assume that you're getting banned soon for Nazi apologism, but hopefully you'll have time to see this.
I am not neo Nazi or something like that.
I believes all humans are equal.
Just likes alternate history.
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I think Adolf Hitler may be established Nazi version Europe Union if he avoids WW2.
You mentioned how Hitler wanted peace with Britain, part of it might have been that Hitler saw the Anglo Saxons as fellow Aryans. I've read excerpts from Mein Kampf where he admired the British Class system and felt it was a suitable way to run his empire, granted without the democratic elements. This is why he always thought Britain would stay out of the war, or at least not attack him.
Anyway, there is no way to avoid World War Two, unless the annexation of Czechoslovakia turns bloody, but that would just cause WW2 to start earlier. Maybe a German Soviet War might keep Britain and France but if it happened before the non-aggression pact and Hitler attacked the Soviets along with Poland in 1939 it would just be like OTL.
Maybe if Stalin tries to invade Poland for some reason and the Germans swoop in. I don't know how this could occur, but if the Soviets were the aggressors, it could remain just a German Soviet War
Anyway, there is no way to avoid World War Two, unless the annexation of Czechoslovakia turns bloody, but that would just cause WW2 to start earlier. Maybe a German Soviet War might keep Britain and France but if it happened before the non-aggression pact and Hitler attacked the Soviets along with Poland in 1939 it would just be like OTL.
Maybe if Stalin tries to invade Poland for some reason and the Germans swoop in. I don't know how this could occur, but if the Soviets were the aggressors, it could remain just a German Soviet War
Nope, Hitlers vision of Europe was miles away from the European Union, its like comparisons between Hitler and Napoleon. The similarities are superficial and when you look into the details, there are no similarities. The EU is a Union of equals and to spread democracy, human rights and prosperity to every corner of Europe. Hitlers Europe would have look quite dystopian: The Benelux Countries=annexed into the German Reich, same with the Scandinavian natiosn. The populations exposed to a harsh cultural genocide, their language forbidden, their history perverted to fit into the Greater Germanic Reich. And than Western Europe, forced into a economic union with the GGR but only to the advantage of the GGR, western europe would be very poor and the nations have to bear the brunt of nazi occupation. So, Eastern Europe.......I mean really? Comparing the blood bath the Nazis would have done in a victory scenario to the EU is insane. Lets have a look: Polish....there are no...they are dead....same with 3/4 of the baltic populations....and I didnt even started on the what the nazis planned for European Russia.
So: NOOOOO!!!!! Comparing the EU to Hitlers vision of Europe, is either really really dumb or really really insulting!
Nothing in history is enshrined. You are a AH dude, you should know that.
I personal think that when you look at the starting history of ww2 its rather the opposite: That ww2 escalted to the dystopian war is quite ASB in my mind.
Or to quote myself:"Imagine if there where no Nazi movement. Only a third rated SciFi author would have wrote a story of a esoteric, murderous fringe group taking over one the greatest nations on earth, to start a genocidal blood bath war with the rest of the world! Sounds like a tale from a pulp comic!"
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When the leaders of Britain and France declared war against Germany on September 3, 1939, they announced that they were doing so because German military forces had attacked Poland, thereby threatening Polish independence.
In going to war against Germany, the British and French leaders transformed what was then a geographically limited, two day old clash between Germany and Poland into a continental, European wide conflict.
It soon became obvious that the British-French justification for going to war was not sincere.
When Soviet Russian forces attacked Poland from the East two weeks later, ultimately taking even more Polish territory than did Germany, the leaders of Britain and France did not declare war against the Soviet Union.
And although Britain and France went to war supposedly to protect Polish independence, at the end of the fighting in 1945 after five and a half years of horrific struggle, death and suffering Poland was still not free, but instead was entirely under the brutal rule of Soviet Russia.
The Western Allies entered the war with a two fold object.
The immediate purpose was to fulfill their promise to preserve the independence of Poland.
The ultimate purpose was to remove a potential menace to themselves, and thus ensure their own security.
In the outcome, they failed in both purposes.
Not only did they fail to prevent Poland from being overcome in the first place, and partitioned between Germany and Russia,
but after six years of war which ended in apparent victory they were forced to acquiesce in Russia's domination of Poland abandoning their pledges to the Poles who had fought on their side.
In going to war against Germany, the British and French leaders transformed what was then a geographically limited, two day old clash between Germany and Poland into a continental, European wide conflict.
It soon became obvious that the British-French justification for going to war was not sincere.
When Soviet Russian forces attacked Poland from the East two weeks later, ultimately taking even more Polish territory than did Germany, the leaders of Britain and France did not declare war against the Soviet Union.
And although Britain and France went to war supposedly to protect Polish independence, at the end of the fighting in 1945 after five and a half years of horrific struggle, death and suffering Poland was still not free, but instead was entirely under the brutal rule of Soviet Russia.
The Western Allies entered the war with a two fold object.
The immediate purpose was to fulfill their promise to preserve the independence of Poland.
The ultimate purpose was to remove a potential menace to themselves, and thus ensure their own security.
In the outcome, they failed in both purposes.
Not only did they fail to prevent Poland from being overcome in the first place, and partitioned between Germany and Russia,
but after six years of war which ended in apparent victory they were forced to acquiesce in Russia's domination of Poland abandoning their pledges to the Poles who had fought on their side.
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But it would mean Hitler has a long look and a good think about his goals.
1) Is invading Poland going to be a good idea
2) If I do invade Poland Will Britain and France declare war on me
3) Can we afford a war with Britain and France
4) Is the Army,Navy and Air force capable of taking on both Britain and France and win
5) Is the economy in a position to support the war effort
6) If i do invade Poland can we win a two war front when we attack the soviet union
7) Is my position safe from other people in my government
If no then he would need to get allies that could help him at least help him with the planned invasion of the USSR.If he listens to people who know economics he might think that money is more important than losing his position.
But it would mean Hitler has a long look and a good think about his goals.
1) Is invading Poland going to be a good idea
2) If I do invade Poland Will Britain and France declare war on me
3) Can we afford a war with Britain and France
4) Is the Army,Navy and Air force capable of taking on both Britain and France and win
5) Is the economy in a position to support the war effort
6) If i do invade Poland can we win a two war front when we attack the soviet union
7) Is my position safe from other people in my government
If no then he would need to get allies that could help him at least help him with the planned invasion of the USSR.If he listens to people who know economics he might think that money is more important than losing his position.
I see where this is going.
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