No Washington Treaty: Battleships for Sale?

sharlin

Banned
Without bickering about there being money for the G3's the Hood would have been completed for sure, but we'd probably see either the G3's getting completed slowly or a cheaper smaller version, maybe as radical in looks like the Nelrod's getting made instead. The RN needed to replace its battle fleet that was quite worn out and with new advances in things like the all or nothing armour scheme it was technically a bit dated too.
 
I think China is out of the running in acquiring any sort of capital ships because of treaty agreements the Western powers signed with Japan at Versailles or within that time period.
 
I think China is out of the running in acquiring any sort of capital ships because of treaty agreements the Western powers signed with Japan at Versailles or within that time period.


One problem with China was that it had not a single united naval force, but many independent local ones. As the central state too was already beyond the state of decay, China was not capable of acting as a singel power.
 

NothingNow

Banned
the Anglo-Japanese Alliance probably doesn't get terminated.

Well, the IJN is politically a lot more powerful (they were the Pro-UK faction,) and there's more of a pressing need to keep the Japanese friendly, so yeah, it's a possibility, although the issues from the Paris Peace Conference might prevent it. Turning down the Racial Equality Clause was a massive insult after all, since it was Prince Saionji's baby.
 
Well, the IJN is politically a lot more powerful (they were the Pro-UK faction,) and there's more of a pressing need to keep the Japanese friendly, so yeah, it's a possibility, although the issues from the Paris Peace Conference might prevent it. Turning down the Racial Equality Clause was a massive insult after all, since it was Prince Saionji's baby.


Basically the Army had a China Policy, based on racist expansion later on, though not yet in 1920. The Army had been superior to the navy previously, before the Japanese-Russian War, but now faced the navy as an equal, which was one of the reasons the Army radicalised. It simply did not want to play the secodn hand in Japan and therefore conducted its own policy in foreign affairs.

The IJA was based on nationalistic ideaology very close to fascism in origin, where the landownership and old feodal landlords were combined in the Samurai ideal. Army soldiers and officers were a sort of apprentices of their direct commanders, loyal only to them and the Emperor. The officer corps was closely linked to the old nobility, until reforms in the later 20's. The IJN however was based on scientific research and learning, especially of western model. All naval ranks following the Chinese-Japanese War of the late 19th century, were selected on bases of capabilities, not family, though in higher ranks seniority remained a problem, as age and rank were not always an argument to field the officer in his bast command. (Nagumo for instance is a good example, as he was a destroyer torpedospecialist, not an aviator.)
 
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