No Vikings

For whatever reason, the Viking never leave their homelands.
What this means:
1. Iceland and Greenland go to someone else.
2. No Rus.
3. No Normandy
4. Saxon england lasts until modern times.

anyway, it's just a rough idea i've had. Anyone wanna help me with a timeline?
 
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I have an idea. Let's say that Scandinavia is a little more fertile, and has better weather. This would stop, or at least slow down the Viking explosion of merchants, and raiders.


No if anything that would increase the pressure to go "a viking", as I recall it was population and social pressure that pushed them to go raiding. A more fertile Scandinavia would just give more population pressure which would mean more raids not fewer.

I think two things could do it,

1) Less Fertile Scandinavia, fewer people -> fewer pressures to go somewhere other than here and more space for them at home.

and/or

2) Some social change that makes raiding a bad thing rather than a good thing. Maybe earlier Christianity? Maybe some deranged Buddhist monk makes it to Norway/Denmark in the 500's and everyone gets peaceful:eek:?


I suspect some combination of these two would give enough fewer raids to qualify as "no vikings" from our perspective - although the people who had to live though the raids would probably disagree:eek:!
 
earlier hvite kriste could work, but that would se a large migration to icleand earlier. The raids wear a combination of several factor as already mentiond.
If coastal north werst europ is better defendte the raids would be harde and much less appeling thought.
 
It's not that hard... Have an earlier christianization of Scandinavia, probably a really good monk. I think that a more centralized government would solve the problem as well.
 
Ive read that there was a population boom due to the invention of a new plough which caused a great amount of food.

That would make the POD easy :)
 
Earlier acquisition of ploughs and sails would mean the Vikings hit the seas at the same time as the Saxons, Angles and Jutes. The Irish and the Franks were also more resurgent then.

They would raid and settle in many of the same places, but they would face stiffer competition and very likely get repelled. Other factors as on OTL would then kick in and the Viking age would come to an end a la OTL. The Viking regarded as just another Dark barbarian horde.

On Greenland, it being colder, it would not be settled. Iceland and the Faroes would be settled. In their case, it was just a matter of a decent ship and a lucky discovery. Withe right vessel the Picts or other natives of Caledonia could have got there first.
 
First you need to find out why, there's no Vikings.

Well, you could have a localized plague wipe almost all the Norse in Norway and Sweden out. Those regions are relatively isolated at this time in history, so there is a chance it won't spread. After the plague subsides, the Danes move into the depopulated lands. They have their hands full just repopulating those regions, and never expand outwards.
 
Maybe some deranged Buddhist monk makes it to Norway/Denmark in the 500's and everyone gets peaceful:eek:?

It's worth noting that a few years ago they found a Viking burial site with a golden statue of the Buddha in it.

Go go long distance trade!
 
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