No Victorian Era Big Game Hunting.

The Puritans managed to supress Bull and Bear baiting in Britain from the 17th Century, leading to its outlawing by 1835. WI this change of heart was extended to Big Game hunting, perhaps lagging by a few decades? So that by the time of the transport and firepower revolutions of the late 19th Century hundreds of big game hunters didn't head out to Africa and Aisa by steamship and train to slaughter prize megafauna.

Would we still have a decent amount of species such as Rhino, Asian Lion, Tiger and the like without big game hunters bagging trophies like it was going out of style?
 
Well for once I could actually agree with victorian puritans. Absolutly sickening. The victorans and the romans drove more species of large mammals to extinction then anyone else. As an animal lover I can't help but feel enraged by the pure horror of it. Whiping out whole species of noble creatures just because you're insecure about the size of your cock. Horrible.:mad:
 
Well for once I could actually agree with victorian puritans. Absolutly sickening. The victorans and the romans drove more species of large mammals to extinction then anyone else. As an animal lover I can't help but feel enraged by the pure horror of it. Whiping out whole species of noble creatures just because you're insecure about the size of your cock. Horrible.:mad:

But with an dead animal that size people must have thought their cocks were BIBLICAL.:rolleyes:
 
HIPPIES EVERYWHERE.

*cough*

Anyways.

We'll probably see hunters of other nationalities come and fill the niche left by the British, imo.
 
I was hoping it would spread to all colonial powers and the US, since the Dutch did a great job culling out Tigers and Rhinos in Sumatra and Java.
 

Thanos6

Banned
Of course, on the downside of this, when these kind of animals go crazy (as they do) we might not have any Jim Corbetts or Kenneth Andersons to put them down.
 
I doubt many of the big game animals that were shot until they were close to extinction went crazy. More like the big game hunters sought them out and drilled them with powerful rifles.
 
Well for once I could actually agree with victorian puritans. Absolutly sickening. The victorans and the romans drove more species of large mammals to extinction then anyone else. As an animal lover I can't help but feel enraged by the pure horror of it. Whiping out whole species of noble creatures just because you're insecure about the size of your cock. Horrible.:mad:

How can non-human Earth native animals be noble?
 
The Puritans managed to supress Bull and Bear baiting in Britain from the 17th Century, leading to its outlawing by 1835. WI this change of heart was extended to Big Game hunting, perhaps lagging by a few decades? So that by the time of the transport and firepower revolutions of the late 19th Century hundreds of big game hunters didn't head out to Africa and Aisa by steamship and train to slaughter prize megafauna.

Would we still have a decent amount of species such as Rhino, Asian Lion, Tiger and the like without big game hunters bagging trophies like it was going out of style?

Others would have taken their place and killed the animals instead. Indian Maharajahs killed tigers for sport and Chinese killed many for use in their medicines.

Animals today are still being hunted to extinction without Victorian Big Game hunters. It was the Big Game Hunters that pushed for the modern wildlife preservation movement.
 
The Big Game hunters pushed for conservation after they had done their part in pushing species to the limit.
 
No Big Game hunters preserved animals because while the native (and European settler) Farmers wanted to wipe out big game to protect farm animals (and themselves, lions are dangerous) the Game Hunters wanted to maintain stocks so they could keep shooting them. That is why the tended to shoot adolescent males leaving breeding females and pride leaders alive to preserve overall numbers. Big Game hunters weren't stupid, they wanted the animals to be around next year.
If you want to protect Lions in Southern Africa halve the number of Farmers and double the number of Hunters. It may seem counter-intuitive but its true, look it up.
As for Asia most of the damage done to the Bengal tiger was done by Indian Maharajah's who combined traditional Indian attitudes towards tigers (killing them is a good way to prove your manliness) with high powered rifles.
 

Thande

Donor
The Puritans managed to supress Bull and Bear baiting in Britain from the 17th Century, leading to its outlawing by 1835.

That's a rather misleading sentence, the Puritans were against it, then it was brought back in reaction to them and was very popular, and it was outlawed in 1835 based on unconnected social trends. That's like saying the 1920s Prohibitionists in the US were responsible for the 1970s War on Drugs.
 
Up until very recently any animal that was not either farm stock or game animal was treated as vermin and destroyed. If those got into conflict as with the Dutch on Java, the game animal was slaughtered.
 
That's a rather misleading sentence, the Puritans were against it, then it was brought back in reaction to them and was very popular, and it was outlawed in 1835 based on unconnected social trends. That's like saying the 1920s Prohibitionists in the US were responsible for the 1970s War on Drugs.


Most probably true, but the Puritans opposition was the earliest I knew about. So WI the unconnected social trends extended to big game hunting.

My theory, such as it is, is that megafauna was killed by locals when it came into conflict with them and that this will happen no matter what. But on top of the that Colonial elites would hunt these animals down in their home ranges even when they were not a problem.

Actual big game hunters probably aren't the problem compared to colonial elites lording it over their possesions and acting like kings in former times by hunting big game. They'd never get away with it in their home countries but went for it when they got to Asia and Africa.

The result I'm thinking of is that remnant populations are large enough to survive to the present day and into the future instead of dwindling into extinction.
 
I'm sorry but you are simply wrong. The "game hunting colonial elites" did more for the survival of African mega-fauna than anyone else.
Farmers want mega-fauna that compete with them wiped out. That's why the American Bison/Buffalo was (nearly) wiped out to make way for Cows, that why the Grey Wolf went to make sheep safe.
In contrast "game hunting colonial elites" set up things like the Kruger National Park otherwise known as the Sabi Game Reserve.
To generalise in Africa when the "game hunting colonial elites" lost power and African farmers gained political power the number of mega-fauna dropped sharply.
No Victorian Big Game hunters means no kicking African farmers out of great swathes of Africa to create Game Reserves, which means much less African mega-fauna.
 
You also had some hunters pushing for the conservation of non game aminals also (e.g. in America, the Aubodon Soviety protected non game birds in 1886.) I've been researching this a bit for a seminar, you can tell.
 
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