No Teutonic Knights

Lots of effects, although a lot depends on who if anyone fills their place.

I mean, if the Teutonic Knights aren't invited where they were OTL, the Hospitalers or Templars might be - they might even accept.

A Templar Prussia would be interesting.
 
Obviously, Lithuania conquers everyone and Europe reverts to paganism.


But probably the Balts get evangelized by the Orthodox Church at some point, Baltic languages get written in Cyrillic, and a continuous Lithuania from Prussia to Estonia gives Sweden something to think about.
 

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If the Knights Teutonic don't arrive in Prussia, then there is still the Livonian order present in Estonia and Latvia. They are just as likely to push south to Prussia as they are to push east to Novogorod. In both cases, they antagonize Lithuania and Novogorod, but stay away from Poland.

A lot depends on just how successful the Livonian Order would be in fighting the pagan Lithuanians and Orthodox Russians. Assuming they have an OTL Knight Teutonic efficiency, they exterminate the Estonians, Livonians and Latvians, the German settlers that OTL went to Prussia move to Livonia making it a Germanic land. This could be a strong motivator for a Lithuanian-Novogorod alliance, even Lithuania adopting Orthodox faith. OTOH, Poland, once recentralized (could happen faster without the Knights Teutonic interfering) could want to expand eastwards as OTL and see the Livonian-Lithuanian wars as an opportunity - hold northern crusades of its own eventually annexing Prussia and pushing into Ukraine, being in an alliance with the Livonian Knights - being so far appart, they wouldn't have conflicting interests.
 
Isn't the Livonian Order fairly weak? As in, we're looking at a much smaller force than the OTL Teutons.
 
Isn't the Livonian Order fairly weak? As in, we're looking at a much smaller force than the OTL Teutons.

They needed the Teutonic Knights to bail them out when the Balts rebelled at some point around 1230, IIRC.
Denmark might be quite willing to fill that role IATL, but I think the place wasn't in its best shape in that period either.
 
They needed the Teutonic Knights to bail them out when the Balts rebelled at some point around 1230, IIRC.
Denmark might be quite willing to fill that role IATL, but I think the place wasn't in its best shape in that period either.

Yeah. Not as bad as it would be (OTL) by the 1240s, but the issues that lead there are starting, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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