What if the Confederation of Three Cantons collapses before it grows ? How would it have affect the History of the World ...
What if the Confederation of Three Cantons collapses before it grows ? How would it have affect the History of the World ...
German speaking cantons might be domain of Habsburgs. Perhaps we see even Germany united by Habsburgs but without Switzerland Europe probably whole world would be pretty unrecognsible.
Well, we have no Swiss mercenaries, no Swiss Gard, no Geneva to sign conventions, no self aware Romandia ...
Well, the city would still exist, unless we are talking about a real apocalyptic scenario.![]()
The existence of Luxemburg is basicly an accident of history. Since no Switserland would mean a POD in the 17th century I would say that there is a very big chance Luxemburg will never become an independent country.Perhaps Luxembourg serves as the neutral state TTL? Switzerland afterall was only neutral following its post Napoleon restoration.
Probably an earlier POD since it was only recognised at Westphalia but existed since c1300. Such an earlier POD means a lot of things are possible depending how history goes. Switzerland may have had an extra chance owing to being in the mountains.The existence of Luxemburg is basicly an accident of history. Since no Switserland would mean a POD in the 17th century I would say that there is a very big chance Luxemburg will never become an independent country.
The existence of Luxemburg is basicly an accident of history. Since no Switserland would mean a POD in the 17th century I would say that there is a very big chance Luxemburg will never become an independent country.
The existence of Luxemburg is basicly an accident of history. Since no Switserland would mean a POD in the 17th century I would say that there is a very big chance Luxemburg will never become an independent country.
Well, you have some "accidents of History" some work very well, like France (no really, look at France, it's composed of bits of Flandres, of Germany, of Vascony, of Catalonia, of Italy, of Switzerland, of Scandinavia (well, I consider Normandy like that >.>) ... it is totally artificial and still people feel like they are French !), that's the same for Switzerland, it's weird, but it works so ... anyway. But Germany or Italy are no accidents of history, they are things that were going to happen anyway, because of their culture ...
Yes, in France is several different languages and dialects and it is almost miracle that there is so huge France. Existence of unified Germany was probably inevitable since Middle Ages but I think that unification of Italy became really inevitable only just after Napoleon's days. Italy was very diversed with several local languages. With good POD in Italy could be easily 3 - 4 independent nations. Perhaps even five if you try really hard.
It's hard to say that Germany, especially in its modern borders, is any less artificial than France. By the way, France has been around as country for a few centuries, albeit not always as centralized and often smaller... Germany or Italy well... not quite in the same way. A medieval observer would be very surprised that "Austria" and "the Netherlands" are now regarded as "not-Germany", let alone that Berlin is the German capital, but would not be surprised to same extent in seeing Aquitaine and parts of Flanders integrated into a France centered on Paris.Well, you have some "accidents of History" some work very well, like France (no really, look at France, it's composed of bits of Flandres, of Germany, of Vascony, of Catalonia, of Italy, of Switzerland, of Scandinavia (well, I consider Normandy like that >.>) ... it is totally artificial and still people feel like they are French !), that's the same for Switzerland, it's weird, but it works so ... anyway. But Germany or Italy are no accidents of history, they are things that were going to happen anyway, because of their culture ...
It's hard to say that Germany, especially in its modern borders, is any less artificial than France. By the way, France has been around as country for a few centuries, albeit not always as centralized and often smaller... Germany or Italy well... not quite in the same way. A medieval observer would be very surprised that "Austria" and "the Netherlands" are now regarded as "not-Germany", let alone that Berlin is the German capital, but would not be surprised to same extent in seeing Aquitaine and parts of Flanders integrated into a France centered on Paris.
You may argue that Italy is a geographical unit defined by the Alps, it's a lot harder to say so about Germany or France.
It's hard to say that Germany, especially in its modern borders, is any less artificial than France. By the way, France has been around as country for a few centuries, albeit not always as centralized and often smaller... Germany or Italy well... not quite in the same way. A medieval observer would be very surprised that "Austria" and "the Netherlands" are now regarded as "not-Germany", let alone that Berlin is the German capital, but would not be surprised to same extent in seeing Aquitaine and parts of Flanders integrated into a France centered on Paris.
You may argue that Italy is a geographical unit defined by the Alps, it's a lot harder to say so about Germany or France.
And even then, despite the Alps acting as a very clearly defined natural border, the Italian states were not that unified, either; hell, the Savoy realm could've easily become part of France with the right POD. What we now know as Italian and/or German identity has its roots in the Middle Ages, but they are roots that were allowed to grow; one could easily argue that the peoples of Scandinavia are close enough in their culture and language that, if Scandinavia had unified, today an united Scandinavia would be regarded as a development as "obvious" as an united France, too.