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What if the USS Maine never sailed into Havana harbor or wasn't blown up by a supposed mine. Thus prevented a reason for conflict between Spain and the United States of America
What if the USS Maine never sailed into Havana harbor or wasn't blown up by a supposed mine. Thus prevented a reason for conflict between Spain and the United States of America
The war will happen anyways, the war was never about the independence of Cuba or Puerto Rico, It´s was USA flexing his military might and exercising their world projection power, the Maine is not even the excuse for the war, it´s was the rallying point, the ambitions and friction between USA and Spain started long before the explosion, at least since 1850.
Both the Puerto Ricans and the Cubans were on and off fighting for Independence from Spain.
The US kinda of just hijacked the situation and made Cuba a puppet state till Castro and PR is well part of it till this day.
I’d think it was just a matter of time until the US stepped into the War but in the occurrence they didn’t for whatever reason I still see Cuba gaining independence sooner or later on its own or from help in Europe or Latin America.
The Only Way I could see that You don´t have a USA-Spain War Is having Cuba win his Independence during the Ten years War Maybe in 1872 or so, after the Havana massacre.Or maybe just share your view about the possibilities of no-Spanish American War. How will this affect? He is clearly asking about that.
A German Philippines will keep the Japanese pretty busy during the Great War.
Oh I can see the Germans giving it a shot and the casualties might be worse but from strategic point of view worth it. Also the Japanese would clam our to get into Philippines as for casualties that just means more space for Japanese.You all do know that there was a Philippines independence movement, which ended up being very bloody and costing the United States a great deal. In terms of casualties, the arguably understated official American report was that the conflict, "resulted in the death of over 4,200 American and over 20,000 Filipino combatants", and that "as many as 200,000 Filipino civilians died from violence, famine, and disease."
The Philippine-American War is one of those milestones in American history that we would rather not think about.
Now, given a backdrop of a fierce independence movement, who exactly is going to be a buyer of the Philippines?
Hmm, a much more interesting alternate history would be for the Philippines to achieve a successful independence by themselves, and the subsequent consequences thereof - huge I suspect.
If we do have a successful Cuba/Puerto Rico independence till 1890. This would remove the war. Spain would sell its Philippines colony to someone with Germany being the likeliest purchaser although could be split between several countries. USA sphere of influence limited as far west as Hawaii
You all do know that there was a Philippines independence movement, which ended up being very bloody and costing the United States a great deal. In terms of casualties, the arguably understated official American report was that the conflict, "resulted in the death of over 4,200 American and over 20,000 Filipino combatants", and that "as many as 200,000 Filipino civilians died from violence, famine, and disease."
The Philippine-American War is one of those milestones in American history that we would rather not think about.
Now, given a backdrop of a fierce independence movement, who exactly is going to be a buyer of the Philippines?
Hmm, a much more interesting alternate history would be for the Philippines to achieve a successful independence by themselves, and the subsequent consequences thereof - huge I suspect.
Oh I can see the Germans giving it a shot and the casualties might be worse but from strategic point of view worth it. Also the Japanese would clam our to get into Philippines as for casualties that just means more space for Japanese.
There is more chance Philippines winning the war of independence than Cuba. Cuba relied on the US army in OTL to beat the Spanish Army. Philippines did not. Cuba also had a smaller population, less tax base/wealth, smaller land area to defend, maneuver. Spain also expended more resources to retain Cuba than Philippines.
Remember the casualty standpoint of US-Philippine war was based on US able to land troops uncontested for 6 month, from the point the Spanish surrendered Manila, and setup logistics in Manila before US started the war with the Rebels. This is due to the rebels treating the US as allies instead of an opponent 6 months before the invasion started.
It is like the British letting the Napoleon or Hitler setup for 6 months at Dover uncontested, once they have landed enough troops, logistics, fortify defensive positions let the French or Germans chose the time of attack.
Without the perfect situation, it is quite possible casualties would be higher or even a great power losing that war vs Philippines.
Maybe a German Philippines put Japan Outside the Great War.
As one thing is Take over a few badly defended island and the invasion of Tsingtao and another is a Amphibian take over Philippines, plus a lot of more ships from the Reichmarine will be assigned to the Pacific squadron, if they need to defend the Philippines