No slavery.

My question is WI during the colonisation of america slave labour of African was for some reason never considered and instead Indentured serventry was used, were whole families were brought from Europe to the Americas how would that effect European politics, economy, society and mainly war(especially on the new world)
 
Indentured servitude was often more miserable than slavery. Frequently, ship-owners sold contracts that indentured workers to plantation owners for seven years. Plantation owners then worked them hard for seven years. Many indentured servants did not survive their first seven years in the new country.

OTOH slave-owners invested in slaves and wanted to get the maximum number of years of labour out of slaves, so fed, housed, rested slaves better than indentured labourers.
 
Problem is that slavery, especially in plantations and involving africans (among other origins) was already a thing by then in newly settled Atlantic isles and as well in some regions (as southern Spain).

You'd need to get rid of slavery in Mediterranean basin first, or at least to get rid of it when it came to profitable business. And frankly, it would require a quite early PoD, probably Early Medieval at best.
 
If you could make it work, one impact would probably be the introduction of both Islam and animist religions into the alternate United States. Maybe voodoo and its relatives would be significant religions, while Islam would be a well-established minority religion.
 
There may ways to severely limit slavery's development in the English Continental Colonies as late as the latter 17th Century -- this, after all, is OTL when the Colony of Virginia started to institutionalize the practice, and when the Province of Carolina, initially meant to be developed along ideas of John Locke, was first being planted. If Portugal loses the Restoration War and the English Restoration stopped or delayed, perhaps, and the Atlantic Slave Trade is hindered enough that the cost of importing slaves prevents these developments. If they are, then Georgia might even stand a chance of being a free colony.
 
OTL Slavery and industrialization co-existed for many years. It was only after industrialization proved more profitable (in the English Midlands) that slavery was finally eliminated from the British Commonwealth.
And in case readers get too smug, slavery was practiced on the West Coast of Canada until about 1900 and is still practiced in the less-developed parts of Africa (Mali cough cough) and Asia.
 
Have the English monarchy early on declare that Christians can't be slaves? Slaves concert and earn freedom. Slavery loses popularity due to loss on investment.
 
Have the English monarchy early on declare that Christians can't be slaves? Slaves concert and earn freedom. Slavery loses popularity due to loss on investment.

It was more or less the case since classical Middle-Ages, but usually turned out as "Yes, but that's for there, not the colonies" with slavery eventually partially justified as a way as another to Christianize and raise people. (Nor prevented the enslavement of Christians population, but that's a slightly different question)
 
The early 13 colonies used black labour with a '99 year indenture' - basically life long slavery, but the children were free.

Have that be kept, especially given the rulings in England, and you could possibly avoid technical slavery.
 
If you could make it work, one impact would probably be the introduction of both Islam and animist religions into the alternate United States. Maybe voodoo and its relatives would be significant religions, while Islam would be a well-established minority religion.

I'm not sure how that follows. From previous discussions I think it was agreed that if Africans were not brought across the Atlantic in chains, they probably wouldn't come as free laborers.

The early 13 colonies used black labour with a '99 year indenture' - basically life long slavery, but the children were free.

Have that be kept, especially given the rulings in England, and you could possibly avoid technical slavery.

This disappeared pretty quickly after the introduction of black slavery, though, didn't it?

There may ways to severely limit slavery's development in the English Continental Colonies as late as the latter 17th Century -- this, after all, is OTL when the Colony of Virginia started to institutionalize the practice, and when the Province of Carolina, initially meant to be developed along ideas of John Locke, was first being planted. If Portugal loses the Restoration War and the English Restoration stopped or delayed, perhaps, and the Atlantic Slave Trade is hindered enough that the cost of importing slaves prevents these developments. If they are, then Georgia might even stand a chance of being a free colony.

In the future US, maybe, but not in the Americas in general. If the Spanish would be using African slaves, and making money hand over fist, all the other powers with Caribbean colonies would eventually use slave labor too. Greed is too powerful of a motivator. And really that would mean plantation slavery would almost inevitably move onto the British continental colonies too.

In my opinion for this to possibly work you would need a very early POD with a strong religious prohibition on slavery. The effects on the Americas would be massive. Since American Indians and whites died in droves in the tropics and sub-tropics, colonization there would be slow and those places would remain undeveloped. European colonization as a whole would be far slower and less profitable, though the Spanish would still benefit tremendously from their Central and South American empire and exile colonies of English and French people in the temperate areas would still survive and grow, albeit with less booming economic growth. Western Europe as a whole would be less wealthy.

But, African economies not dominated by slave raids and the draining of their labor forces might have a thriving coastal trade in non-human goods, with trade with them possibly making up for some of that economic loss in Europe.
 
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In the future US, maybe, but not in the Americas in general. If the Spanish would be using African slaves, and making money hand over fist, all the other powers with Caribbean colonies would eventually use slave labor too. Greed is too powerful of a motivator. And really that would mean plantation slavery would almost inevitably move onto the British continental colonies too.

Not to get off track, but there's reason slavery was less popular in New England and the middle colonies, and it wasn't so much geography.;
 
Not to get off track, but there's reason slavery was less popular in New England and the middle colonies, and it wasn't so much geography.;

That is true. Of course, the poor climate wouldn't have helped, but there were plenty of cultural factors, too, especially as the Age of Enlightenment progressed, and it wasn't from the Puritans, by and large(who, by the way, were themselves only a part of NE society, even then).....
 
That is true. Of course, the poor climate wouldn't have helped, but there were plenty of cultural factors, too, especially as the Age of Enlightenment progressed, and it wasn't from the Puritans, by and large(who, by the way, were themselves only a part of NE society, even then).....

No, it was determined virtually entirely by geography.
 
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