No Sino-Soviet Split,Would Pakistan ally with the soviet union

Without the Sino-Soviet split,Would Pakistan end up allying itself with the Soviets and the Chinese or Would India , China and the Soviet Union end up in an alliance
 
Without the Sino-Soviet split,Would Pakistan end up allying itself with the Soviets and the Chinese or Would India , China and the Soviet Union end up in an alliance
Pakistan is an Islamic republic, it's economy was dependent on American aid during the cold war. I can't see why it would be allied to Soviet Union m
 
Pakistan is an Islamic republic, it's economy was dependent on American aid during the cold war. I can't see why it would be allied to Soviet Union m

Maybe in an event that the US begins to favor India over Pakistan (Maybe a Democrat is elected in 1968 and strains relations with Pakistan due to the 1971 Bengali war?) Pakistan might drift to the USSR or China.
 
Pakistan is an Islamic republic, it's economy was dependent on American aid during the cold war. I can't see why it would be allied to Soviet Union
Islamic republic =/= fundamentalist state and Couldn't They just switch to soviet aid and wouldn't the fact that one of there biggest allies and counterbalance to India is allied to them encourage them
 
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Why deeply religious nation would ally with atheist nation? I can't see this beign possible. USSR hardly even would trust such ally. And Pakistan would be quickly in bad problems with Americans and Brits.
 
Why deeply religious nation would ally with atheist nation? I can't see this beign possible. USSR hardly even would trust such ally. And Pakistan would be quickly in bad problems with Americans and Brits.

I don't know, we should ask the modern Pakistanis why they're allied with Communist China in our timeline, then.

Remember, in our timeline, Benasir Bhutto and the socialist Pakistani People's Party were able to establish some measure of secularism from 1988 to 1996, while drawing closer to China. And although Islamist militants have plauged the country's history, it's military juntas also tended to be secular and Western focused, so it's not too much of a stretch to see Pakistan acting as a neutral or pro-Soviet power in some timeline or another.

Of course, this assumes India does not align itself closely with the USSR as in OTL. If so, expect Pakistan to draw closer to the United States in order to counterbalance India, as it did in OTL.
 
Why deeply religious nation would ally with atheist nation? I can't see this beign possible.
A deeply religious nation allying with an atheist nation, why not? What about the present Sino-Pak alliance. Pakistan turned to China fully aware that it was a communist and atheist state. What determine a state's foreign policy is its national interest and not any ideology. Pakistan's raison d'etre itself is the enmity towards India. And China being the rival of India is the natural choice of Pakistan for alliance. For the initial question the answer is clear. If India had close relations with USA, Pakistan would have naturally drifted towards USSR. It was the friendship that USA had with Pakistan that prompted India to move closer to the Soviet Union.
 

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Somebody really needs to read up on Pakistani history and politics. (Bhutto's secular? Really, the ones behind the whole "Islamic socialism"? And no, Pakistani economy was never "dependent" on US Aid.

On topic; Pakistan has zero reasons to want to ally with USSR.
 
Without the Sino-Soviet split,Would Pakistan end up allying itself with the Soviets and the Chinese or Would India , China and the Soviet Union end up in an alliance

Well, there was no open Sino-Soviet split until 1960, and during that period Pakistan was a member of two US-inspired alliances, SEATO and the Baghdad Pact (CENTO), while the Soviet Union and the PRC were wooing India (as was the US).

The Sino-Soviet split led to increasingly close relations between Pakistan and the PRC, but did not create Pakistan's basically pro-US and anti-Soviet orientation.
 
Somebody really needs to read up on Pakistani history and politics. (Bhutto's secular? Really, the ones behind the whole "Islamic socialism"? And no, Pakistani economy was never "dependent" on US Aid.

On topic; Pakistan has zero reasons to want to ally with USSR.

Bhutto improved relations with the USSR and wanted Pakistan to be free of US influence.
 
Pakistan was, at the beginning, SOLEY based upon the people there being Muslim. It changed later, but early on it was basically the military in the West trying to force continuous dictatorship by themselves upon the Bengali-speaking East Pakistanis who made up the majority of the population. India was a juggernaut in population and territory. It didn't matter whether or not the Chinese and Soviets locked step in step (something they never really did) as India was desirable on economic, military, and ideological grounds. Having propaganda about having gotten rid of European rule and following it up with changing society (kinda) to bring down antiquated class, racial, and religious (kinda, for all three) boundaries? A lot of the British Empire in Africa was apparently useful in how it could be used to provide for India (not sure if true) and India had plenty of economic ties all around the Indian Ocean, plus ties to Suriname and Guyana due to those guest workers. Those for Suriname perhaps it was just Hindu Indonesians... Anyways, Pakistan just wasn't the greatest prize.
 
Pakistan is happy to be friends with anyone willing to provide aid or assist them against India. So assuming the China-India conflict of the 1960s still happens and the USSR sides with China, the answer is yes. If the China-India conflict is prevented by the USSR then no, since India has good relations with both the USSR & China. Basically it depends on whether the USSR-China alliance prevents the China-India conflict or not. How far friendship extends into formal alliance or more than friendly words probably depends what is on offer in return.
 
Somebody really needs to read up on Pakistani history and politics. (Bhutto's secular? Really, the ones behind the whole "Islamic socialism"? And no, Pakistani economy was never "dependent" on US Aid.

On topic; Pakistan has zero reasons to want to ally with USSR.
Pakistan dependence on US Aid is a known thing. ISI is (or was?) basically propped up by US . Pakistani army (especially till the late 1980s) used american tanks and weaponry. Infact it was the reason Pakistan was not instant curb-stomped by India every time they went to War.
 
Pakistan dependence on US Aid is a known thing. ISI is (or was?) basically propped up by US . Pakistani army (especially till the late 1980s) used american tanks and weaponry. Infact it was the reason Pakistan was not instant curb-stomped by India every time they went to War.

I beg to differ. India and Pakistan both had the same capability, if it wasn't the US creating a stalemate eventually both sides would tire of the war after a couple years and build a stalemate themselves.
 
If Afghanistan falls into the soviet sphere, Pakistan could function as a soviet port on the Indian ocean
What reason would they be to think that the Pakistanis would look kindly upon this? Besides, so what if the Soviets had a port down there? You would need to go over deserts and mountains to get there and they didn't exactly export a lot of stuff down there. Heck, is we have a Communist USSR, a Maoist China, and a Socialist India then it seems more likely the Soviets would support the place just breaking up. Afgans take a piece, Indians get a piece, Soviets get some areas in the north... Really though, this wasn't the Great Game. And an actual alliance with Pakistan means that they are now India's enemies. Depending on if they honor any committments. I imagine that, if China and India managed to settle their border disputes (kinda doubt it) then they would be the main competitors for the Soviets in Asia, taking both their own countries and those of Southeast Asia into their sphere.
 
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