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maverick

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Psshh...Marlowe:rolleyes:...everybody knows it was a three way conspiracy between Bacon, Oxford and the English Secret Service....
 

Anaxagoras

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The quality of Elizabethan theater, and subsequent theater throughout the world, is not as high as it is IOTL. Furthermore, various words and expressions that we use without thinking (i.e. "bump", "to catch a cold", "a foregone conclusion" and many others) are absent from our language.
 
... and his plays are not written.
Folk plots like that of Romeo and Juliet etc. rewritten by hundreds of average authors till nobody wants to read it... Well, possibly, the concept of "new ideas or fresh plots in literature" - never develop without Shakespeare. People are satisfied with the familiar literature.:confused:
Hostile attitude towards jealous husbands never becomes so common. Almost sure only a character like Shakespearian Othello could provoke the same feelings.
Maybe, no heated discussions whether a man can be equally interested in art and money.
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Hamlet was just based off of a Danish legend (I believe the original name was Thamel), Romeo and Juliet was based off numerous previous stories dating back to Babylon.
 
In that case the work of Ben Jonson (Epicoene! Sejanus! Bartholemew Fair!) has its proper place in our culture. ;)

Jonson has this awesomely scabrous wit. I can't think but that his influence would make us a somewhat more bitter culture. If that's possible at the present moment.

If we're going to do Elizabethan literary hypotheticals, I'd much prefer Spenser living to write another six books of the Faerie Queene or Philip Sidney making it to a ripe old age in a life spent writing chivalric romance.

To have either of those, I'd be willing to accept trade-offs. Like Stalinists riding dinosaurs rounding up children to sacrifice to Baal outside my window, right now.

Okay, maybe that's a bit of an overstatement. But it is Sidney.
 
Wouldn't have mattered. Shakespeare never wrote that which is attributed to him. It was the Earl of Oxford.

Stratford-upon-Avon is a regular normal English country town without tourist.

Was it? I don't think we will ever really know. I've heard the claim it had to multiple authors as no one person could of written that volume of work. Horse puckey. The other claim is that there is no way that a commoner like WS could have heard/known all of the stuff that relates to events in Elizibethian England. Again horse puckey. I suspect gossip was as bad then or worse.The other claim is that the few documents that can be traced to WS show none of the brilliance with the written word the plays do. Haven't you ever heard of the house painter who's house has peeling paint, the plumber with a leaky faucet, the mechanic with the car that won't start.
 
Where's all this tosh about shakespear not writing his plays come from? There's no good evidence that he wasn't the author of the plays - just a series of crackpot theories.

If he doesn't write his plays, then an awful lot of the english language - sayings, words even - don't get invented or come down to us -English becomes a duller language
 
In 1564 William Shakespeare dies at childbirth and his plays are not written. What are it's effects.

Yay! Good times! :p

We have to read different bad classics during English class instead of his so called "Great Works :mad:." I mean, what was the point of his stories? He killed of the main characters in his tragedies which no one would do nowadays unless it was J. K. Rowlings in the last Harry Potter book because the ghost of Shakespeare told her to. His comedies weren't even funny. I don't like him and anyone in my generation who does, has lost it. Most classics are dumb and stupid anyways so we have a lot less plays to worry about written by a gay guy that was in love with his son (I think). We also wouldn't have to hear all this crap about how great a writer Shakespeare was when his writting stinks.

Also, never read the Scarlet Letter, it's as bad as his plays.
 

maverick

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Newb:rolleyes:...

Where's all this tosh about shakespear not writing his plays come from? There's no good evidence that he wasn't the author of the plays - just a series of crackpot theories.

Because its fun, just like saying that Kennedy was killed by the vast Right wing/Republican/FBI/CIA/Cuban/USSR/anti-Castro Cuban and Mafiosi conspiracy...or that Elvis is still alive...
 
Yay! Good times! :p

We have to read different bad classics during English class instead of his so called "Great Works :mad:." I mean, what was the point of his stories? He killed of the main characters in his tragedies which no one would do nowadays unless it was J. K. Rowlings in the last Harry Potter book because the ghost of Shakespeare told her to. His comedies weren't even funny. I don't like him and anyone in my generation who does, has lost it. Most classics are dumb and stupid anyways so we have a lot less plays to worry about written by a gay guy that was in love with his son (I think). We also wouldn't have to hear all this crap about how great a writer Shakespeare was when his writting stinks.

Also, never read the Scarlet Letter, it's as bad as his plays.

Hmm... it seems you are planning to run for governor in '22. If your post is serious then I'm afraid you'll Blagojevich Jr.
 
Yay! Good times! :p

We have to read different bad classics during English class instead of his so called "Great Works :mad:." I mean, what was the point of his stories? He killed of the main characters in his tragedies which no one would do nowadays unless it was J. K. Rowlings in the last Harry Potter book because the ghost of Shakespeare told her to. His comedies weren't even funny. I don't like him and anyone in my generation who does, has lost it. Most classics are dumb and stupid anyways so we have a lot less plays to worry about written by a gay guy that was in love with his son (I think). We also wouldn't have to hear all this crap about how great a writer Shakespeare was when his writting stinks.

Also, never read the Scarlet Letter, it's as bad as his plays.

* Staring, still staring. Attempting to stifle fury and embarrasment. Staring, staring... Choke... Dear world, I'm sorry he spawns from the same country as I do. Choke...*
 
I've read The Taming of the Shrew, that's pretty funny. I haven't read much Shakespeare but what little I have read has been good (and I'm only 15...the only play I read in school was the Shrew).

On the topic, I think it would affect the out outcomes of a few political debates or the effectiveness of some speeches...as references to the plays are common. Maybe not recently (what percentage of the populace knows Shakespeare's plays nowadays?), but it could affect outcomes in debates among aristocrats (or Congressional/Parliamentary debates).

Well, actually I'm thinking about the American populace...I've got no clue about Britain or anywhere else.

I'm also infuriated by the fact that nobody writes anything with a depressing ending anymore. The only books I've read that ended badly were the Unfortunate Events books, and a book called Rash. There are too many happy endings, and it's making people overly optimistic.
 
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