True but many such nations got mach capable jets by early 60sNon aligned and third worlds countries were flying piston engine fighters well into the 1960's as it was. Any longer and the airframes would have been time expired.
No titanium?
I would say, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Israel, Argentina, Brazil at a minimum would be able to produce jet engines by the 60's or 70's. And better than Meteors.You might have poor jets but you would have jets. They might be little better than British Meteors to start out with but eventually, you would wind up with at least 1970s era jets by today I would think.
I would say, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Israel, Argentina, Brazil at a minimum would be able to produce jet engines by the 60's or 70's. And better than Meteors.
As with every cartel, at some point one company is going to break the agreement and sell, especially if said company is otherwise faced with a hostile takeover or a bankruptcy. Especially a manufacturer like Dassault, for whom exports to non-aligned countries made up an essential proportion of total production figures and thus their break-even will be tempted to do so. And let's not forget that after WW2 there are unemployed German aircraft engineers who'd be more than willing to sell their expertise to aircraft companies in non-aligned countries like SAAB in Sweden. It's also important to understand that the willingness of the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and France to allow the aircraft and jet engine manufacturers in their countries to sell whole jet planes, engines or components to non-aligned countries did stifle the development of aerospace industry in said countries.
And only then if they get boot strapped by a major player ie HAL in India building the Kurt Tank designed Murat fighter bombers in the 60s relied on British built Jet engines which once the supply of which was cut (due to anti nuclear proliferation sanctions after India tested their bomb) pretty much ended the life of that aircraft. Or the Folland Gnat built under license by HAL again with many of the parts built overseas (in this case again by the UK).
Jet engines are hard!
Nuclear weapons and missiles/rockets are harder and those countries managed them.And only then if they get boot strapped by a major player ie HAL in India building the Kurt Tank designed Murat fighter bombers in the 60s relied on British built Jet engines which once the supply of which was cut (due to anti nuclear proliferation sanctions after India tested their bomb) pretty much ended the life of that aircraft. Or the Folland Gnat built under license by HAL again with many of the parts built overseas (in this case again by the UK).
Jet engines are hard!
I would say, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Israel, Argentina, Brazil at a minimum would be able to produce jet engines by the 60's or 70's. And better than Meteors.
It is a whole lot easier to build a jet engine than a nuclear weapon, just saying.
Nuclear weapons and missiles/rockets are harder and those countries managed them.
You are missing the fact that economic and political incentives and support would be much higher. Like in the aforementioned programmes.
In OTL, Governments cut down on domestic projects since had better choices available from foreign sources and or they could go half way and do a license production.
In a case where there is no access? Oh yeah, there will be a lot of support to domestic industry, they will accept that domestic industry making more expensive and less capable products initially is just the price of such programmes, rather than considering them a waste of money. And the gap will close, since people in those countries aren’t fundamentally stupid.
How so ? Almost All their local programs were started with foreign assistanceI would say, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Israel, Argentina, Brazil at a minimum would be able to produce jet engines by the 60's or 70's. And better than Meteors.
Yes. And it took multiple decades to make systems which started approaching the super powers in capability, for the nuclear and missile programmes. Same here, they would make stuff of lower quality originallyHow so ? Almost All their local programs were started with foreign assistance
And even if they do they would be far behind what the superpowers are producing
True, but they would be able to take advantage of technological developments which had occurred in the meantime. Like better material sciences.I was being cautious in my estimate, and I did say to start. Like everything else you start at the bottom and work up. The first prototypes probably wouldn't be that much better than Meteors but that would change.