No Qing dynasty/Wank Korea

No, the problem was that there was no need for coins in the local bartering system of the time. Even into the late 1800s Joseon had issues where almost all mass transport relied on the rivers, even most of such transport being tribute and tax to the central government. There literally was no incentive to proceed with coinage at this point in time. Furthermore, thisa is what happens when you punch out coins without the economy to sustain usage.

Then I guess we can just omit it, if it isn't essential for the economy (until peace-time, I'd assume).
 
I'd contest that, since "Heaven" is an important polity in Chinese folk religion, Confucianism, and other Chinese schools of thought. While the average peasant might not care, influential intellectuals and aristocrats would.
No they don't really(at least most of them).They were the type of people who'd welcome anyone to be their ruler as long as they seemed to be winning and that they guaranteed their continued dominance over their land and wealth.During the Ming Dynasty,these people seized land from the peasants and boycotted attempts by the Ming government to tax them.When that led to rebellion,they eagerly welcomed Li Zicheng and his flock.When Li Zicheng disrespected their ownership of land and wealth,they flocked to the Manchus.These people were pragmatic realists who used the 'Mandate of Heaven' to cover the fact that they were traitors to one regime after another.
 
No they don't really(at least most of them).They were the type of people who'd welcome anyone to be their ruler as long as they seemed to be winning and that they guaranteed their continued dominance over their land and wealth.During the Ming Dynasty,these people seized land from the peasants and boycotted attempts by the Ming government to tax them.When that led to rebellion,they eagerly welcomed Li Zicheng and his flock.When Li Zicheng disrespected their ownership of land and wealth,they flocked to the Manchus.These people were pragmatic realists who used the 'Mandate of Heaven' to cover the fact that they were traitors to one regime after another.
Let me rephrase the question? How could the Manchus lose their legitimacy? How could we make the Chinese majority despise them that they overthrow them?
 
Let me rephrase the question? How could the Manchus lose their legitimacy? How could we make the Chinese majority despise them that they overthrow them?
They don't have much to begin with.It's only been eleven years since the last Ming emperor died.You won't have much Chinese 'despise' them and want to overthrow them either.The most of them will just be apathetic,helping neither side and are only in it for economic gain.Most of those who really despised them have already died fighting,while those that remained will undoubtedly rise up.
 
They don't have much to begin with.It's only been eleven years since the last Ming emperor died.You won't have much Chinese 'despise' them and want to overthrow them either.The most of them will just be apathetic,helping neither side and are only in it for economic gain.Most of those who really despised them have already died fighting,while those that remained will undoubtedly rise up.
Then how'd we topple the Qing then? Or maybe pursue an earlier POD and just somehow butterfly the Qing's successes out.
 
Then how'd we topple the Qing then? Or maybe pursue an earlier POD and just somehow butterfly the Qing's successes out.
The latest POD will probably be somehow forces under Emperor Yongli winning--as in maintaining Ming rule in the southwestern China.They did have a fair chance of at least doing that,but like always,they faced infighting.IIRC,the Qing actually considered abandoning the southwest altogether due to the successes of Li Dingguo against them until another general Sun Kewang defected and brought vital intelligence to the Qing.If somehow Li Dingguo decided to stay loyal to Sun Kewang rather than Yongli(given that they were both adopted sons of Zhang Xianzhong),it's also possible they can resist the Qing successfully.Sun Kewang was a masterful administrator while Li Dingguo was a brilliant general.Sun Kewang wanted to be emperor however,while Li Dingguo was loyal to the Ming emperor after they both joined Yongli.
 
The latest POD will probably be somehow forces under Emperor Yongli winning--as in maintaining Ming rule in the southwestern China.They did have a fair chance of at least doing that,but like always,they faced infighting.IIRC,the Qing actually considered abandoning the southwest altogether due to the successes of Li Dingguo against them until another general Sun Kewang defected and brought vital intelligence to the Qing.If somehow Li Dingguo decided to stay loyal to Sun Kewang rather than Yongli(given that they were both adopted sons of Zhang Xianzhong),it's also possible they can resist the Qing successfully.Sun Kewang was a masterful administrator while Li Dingguo was a brilliant general.Sun Kewang wanted to be emperor however,while Li Dingguo was loyal to the Ming emperor after they both joined Yongli.
That's interesting. How long would a hypothetical reconquest take?
 
Nobody really mattered except for said intellectuals and the gentry class they influenced
It's the same thing with the divine rights of kings in the west.Some nobles believed in it,but most would eagerly screw the king if they can get away with it.
 
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