Let's see, the British are going to make peace with a Germany that has conquered nearly all of Western Europe? Allowing the permanent subjugation of the French, Dutch, Belgians, Danes, et al. Not to mention the growing knowledge and horror of the death camps, and the mass exterminations. And with the understanding that Germany was being led by megalomaniacs and homicidal sociopaths - sure, of course.
Stalin does a happy little jig as he continues to build up for the decisive struggle he predicts will be coming around 45. With the uninterrupted flow of the resources of its rich eastern European regions and lack of disruption to industrial and military organization brought in by the improvised mass retreat iotl the "5 year plan" produces on schedule a Red Army that outmatchs anything the Germans built. War ends with Soviets on the Rhine and in Rome, at best for the WAllies
Make peace =/= allowing Germany keep its subjugations.
There is a middle point between a "Germany keeps all" peace and a march into Berlin.
No Barbarossa means Germany might not even declare war with the US,
Even if the US comes in, even if the German army is weakened, it will take millions of allied lives to force an unconditional surrender of Germany. The UK and the US do not have the stomach to pay the blood price of the Soviets.
No Barbarossa means Germany might not even declare war with the US, this is a strict Germany-UK war. No way is it going to end with an occupation of the Reichstag, no way.
Stalin is never going to attack first if it risks war against the allies. The guy never gambled unless he had a deck with 95%+ chances of winning.
Say Operation Barbarossa doesn't happen due to a longer Balkan campaign and Japan still attacks pearl harbor
Would a negotiated peace with Britain and the United States be possible at some point
What would be the terms
But Germany is never going to negotiate peace and give up France, the allies are going to have to make them give it up. They kick Italy's ass, invade from the South and prepare for an invasion of France. And once the allies are strong enough to land in France, they will go all the way to Berlin, the Germans are probably going to make them do that as the Nazi leadership is too stubborn, proud and crazy to acknowledge defeat. Not to mention the Soviets will probably attack as well by that time, making it a race for Berlin anyway.
Besides, once the allies are going to invade, they won't get the casualties like the Soviet suffered. Going to be high, but not millions.
Stalin is never going to attack first if it risks war against the allies. The guy never gambled unless he had a deck with 95%+ chances of winning.
If the Nazi don't plan to go into Russia, the strategy is totally different. Much of the Heer is put back into reserve status and the resources are moved to the Luftwaffe and Navy. The replacement schedule for tanks and the like are reduce and produced in a more rational manner. i.e. More like a Stalin 5 year plan. The Germans will still likely lose the initial push to knock the UK out of the war. The strategy then likely becomes more Med focused, maybe Africa focused. It probably involves things like bringing Spain into the war to close the Med and to make attacks into the Atlantic even easier.
And somewhere in this process, it is possible that peace will look good to the UK. Maybe 6 months in, maybe 6 years in, maybe 12.
If the Nazi don't plan to go into Russia, the strategy is totally different. Much of the Heer is put back into reserve status and the resources are moved to the Luftwaffe and Navy. The replacement schedule for tanks and the like are reduce and produced in a more rational manner. i.e. More like a Stalin 5 year plan. The Germans will still likely lose the initial push to knock the UK out of the war. The strategy then likely becomes more Med focused, maybe Africa focused. It probably involves things like bringing Spain into the war to close the Med and to make attacks into the Atlantic even easier.
And somewhere in this process, it is possible that peace will look good to the UK. Maybe 6 months in, maybe 6 years in, maybe 12.
But Germany is never going to negotiate peace and give up France, the allies are going to have to make them give it up. They kick Italy's ass, invade from the South and prepare for an invasion of France. And once the allies are strong enough to land in France, they will go all the way to Berlin, the Germans are probably going to make them do that as the Nazi leadership is too stubborn, proud and crazy to acknowledge defeat. Not to mention the Soviets will probably attack as well by that time, making it a race for Berlin anyway.
Besides, once the allies are going to invade, they won't get the casualties like the Soviet suffered. Going to be high, but not millions.
Germany does not HAVE France - it has a Northern occupation zone.
There were several important voices in Germany who wanted Hitler to admit Vichy to the Axis as the first step towards finalising the process - France would regain its occupied lands for 1) cessions in the East 2) German military bases, especially naval and airforce 3) France tied to Germany in the Axis
Germany does not HAVE France - it has a Northern occupation zone. There were several important voices in Germany who wanted Hitler to admit Vichy to the Axis as the first step towards finalising the process - France would regain its occupied lands for 1) cessions in the East 2) German military bases, especially naval and airforce 3) France tied to Germany in the Axis