No one likes a PO'ed america

Germany First?

When I wrote my earlier post I had a thought running around in my head that hadn't quite gelled. I have re-read these posts and finally realized what it was.

Without a doubt, the Japanese could have pissed us off more than they did. But the real question is, would it have made a difference? Would an angrier America produce more, fight harder, or conduct the war any differently than they did?

The American public gave up meat on certain days, new tires for their cars (hell, no new cars at all!), accepted gasoline rationing, etc., etc. Young men flooded recruiting offices by the tens of thousands, eager to fight and kill Japs and that eagerness manifested itself in legendary battles like Bloody Ridge and Midway. Our industry worked three shifts 365 days a year producing amounts of war materiel that is simply beyond comprehension (check out John Parshall's economics article on www.combinedfleet.com). We even undertook the most massive scientific endeavor in history which produced the most powerful weapon known to man and used that weapon against the Japanese.

In the OTL, we fought the Japanese with a cold, deliberate fury and buried them under an astronomical amount of materiel. In December, 1941 we were on the ropes with a samurai sword to our collective throats and in just three and a half years we delivered the most total crushing defeat in the history of modern warfare. ITTL with all other factors being the same at the beginning of the war, could we have fought any harder in the battles (smarter, yes. Harder, no, but that is another story), and would a half dozen more carriers or battleships and a thousand more planes over and above what we already had in 1944 or 45 make a significant difference in how the war turned out? How much more of an ass-whooping could we have realistically delivered that we already didn't?

I don't think being angrier at the start would have made a big difference, at least not until the end of the war. MacArthur may have been forced by politics to take a heavier and stricter hand with Japan during the occupation. But war weariness and a desire to put the war behind us would have tempered any desire for revenge.

Dave

www.pigboats.com

Making the US angrier could, perhaps, make it politically impossible to focus on Germany First. Bad for Russia, bad for Britian, and bad for the USA (if invading Japan in '44 instead of Germany. And someone still gets an "Alamogordo Instant Sunrise" in 1945.
 
I actually shudder to think of what the U.S. would have done to that Japan.

"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in Hell!"

we focus more on Asia and europe falls to the reds. The post war world looks bleaker, expect another war in '75 or '80.

I'm of the opinion that the larger the WarPac the faster it falls.

then again, if we shifted to take down the japs first, we might end up backing Germany "not with Hitler in charger of course" against the Reds.
 
Okay...this is going to need some explanation.:confused:

Dave

www.pigboats.com

There was a book called "Japan's Secret War" that claimed the Japanese actually test-detonated an atom bomb in North Korea and the Soviets wanted NK to get hold of that infrastructure, but people on this board have claimed it was bad history.

They had something going on (a German sub was carrying them uranium at one point), but I don't think it was that advanced.
 
Okay...but how would the U.S. being more pissed off at the Japanese lead the Japanese to develop and deploy a nuclear weapon? If anything, a more aggressive America (if this is possible - see my earlier post) would lead the Japanese to give up on any exotic research and force them to concentrate on the here and now.

Dave

www.pigboats.com
 
There was a book called "Japan's Secret War" that claimed the Japanese actually test-detonated an atom bomb in North Korea and the Soviets wanted NK to get hold of that infrastructure, but people on this board have claimed it was bad history.

They had something going on (a German sub was carrying them uranium at one point), but I don't think it was that advanced.

that sounds like a bad conspiricy book.

Ok, Balloon Bombs are out, Publicly Killing Macarthur is possible, Hospital bombing is very possible, but,

what about a 'Rape of Manilla'?
 
Hawaii in turtledove world is screwed. Thats ferom the 2 invasions that happened there. Of course there is hardly any way for japan to win there anymore.
 
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