No One Leaves Africa Without His Bow

One of the most enduring and effective weapons of human history is the bow and arrow. The oldest archaeological evidence of this weapon is 10,000 years ago.

That's a pretty young date compared to Out of Africa, which varies between 125,000 and 50,000 years ago. By then, the only projectile weapon they had was the spear. Effective, maybe, but not without its problems. For one thing, you're throwing it with one arm, which does not provide stability compared to holding the bow on one hand and pulling the arrow on the other, which provides better control.

So if humans invented the bow and the arrow BEFORE leaving Africa, would the course of human culture be affected? If so, how?
 
More megafaunal extinctions for one thing. This could lead to the extermination of animals that would later be domesticated OTL, such as the horse or auroch. With easier hunting and fewer domesticable animals, hunter-gatherer type societies might persist as the dominant social organization for much longer.
 
More megafaunal extinctions for one thing. This could lead to the extermination of animals that would later be domesticated OTL, such as the horse or auroch. With easier hunting and fewer domesticable animals, hunter-gatherer type societies might persist as the dominant social organization for much longer.
Or, in short, Eurasians use their bows to shoot themselves in the foot as badly as American Indians did...
 
The bow made the hunting of smaller game from a distance more efficient. We would see higher population densities earlier due to being able to more effectively exploit the environment, several species of birds would be in serious trouble but some larger mammals might get a temporary reprieve.
Neanderthals would get steamrolled, the bow played on humanity's strengths superior mobility and accurate distance attacks.
 

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Or, in short, Eurasians use their bows to shoot themselves in the foot as badly as American Indians did...
Yeah, if the earliest hunter-gatherers had the bow and arrow, maybe the woolly mammoth would be extinct today.
 
I meant that Eurasians would use their fancy new bows to wipe out horses and other potential domesticates.

The bow and arrow wasn't why the North American horse and other animals went extinct. The bow wasn't even used in some parts of North America until AD times.
 

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Neanderthals would get steamrolled, the bow played on humanity's strengths superior mobility and accurate distance attacks.
Couldn't it go the other way, the long range weapon giving the larger and stronger Neanderthals a way to reach out and kill smaller faster targets? I think it would be more complex than you suggest.
 
Couldn't it go the other way, the long range weapon giving the larger and stronger Neanderthals a way to reach out and kill smaller faster targets? I think it would be more complex than you suggest.
Research shows Neanderthals didn't use ranged weapons, they probly weren't mentally capable of doing the mental math to calculate projectile trajectories. Fossil evidence suggests they were slower and not as agile as humans.If the fight was going badly humans could disengage at will,Neanderthals couldn't pursue or get away .
 

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Research shows Neanderthals didn't use ranged weapons, they probly weren't mentally capable of doing the mental math to calculate projectile trajectories. Fossil evidence suggests they were slower and not as agile as humans.If the fight was going badly humans could disengage at will,Neanderthals couldn't pursue or get away .
Ignoring the mental capacity thing, I'd assume that using long ranged weapons would nullify the speed advantage to an extent, because you don't have to catch them to kill them.
 

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What? People still aren't capable of doing the mental math to solve projectile equations to find trajectories.
Not literally mental math, but intuition about how things move combined with motor skills.
 
As someone who dabbles in archery, I find the idea that a person would invent effective bows and arrows that far back, in deep prehistory, to be... well, dubious at best.

The arrow is a wood-and-cord spring for firing small bladed missiles. It took prehistoric humanity a good long while before they realised they can attach a sharpened stone to a straighter branch or to a short handle and use these contraptions as spear, javelins and early axes. The first axes - handaxes - are called that because they didn't actually have any sort of handle.

Why am I saying all of this ? Because it took a good while before humanity invented the first javelin or throwing spear for more effective hunting of animals from afar. As much as that improved human chances at successful hunting, it was still quite an ineffective tool for catching prey. Fast-forward to thousands of years later and you finally see the slow emergence of the spear thrower. Such a simple concept, they should have thought of it immediately after inventing the hunting javelin, right ? Well, no. We might think so with the benefit of hindsight, but in a species with low population numbers and a focus on day-to-day survival, would researching tool and weapon improvements really be the first thing crossing everyone's mind ? Hardly.

But back to the spear thrower. Despite its almost ridiculous simplicity (just another piece of material used as a lever for throwing the spear), this is the first "wooden spring" type of weapon, the first man-amplifier, ever. The bow was just a more complex (and quite a bit later developed) iteration of the same concept. Hindsight can be incredibly misleading: "But a bow is such an easy thing, why didn't they think of it much, much earlier, right after they had thought up the spear thrower ?" Well, would it occur to you to take a piece of tying material (remember, there are barely any threads made of plant material before the Neolithic, just ones made from animal material) and tie it in a careful and very deliberate way to a very deliberately carved and smoothed wooden selfbow ? If even inventing the spear thrower took a good long while, how long do you think the invention of the bow will take ? Quite a bit, I'm afraid.

Looking at even much more complex technology, this isn't absurd at all. In the last 500 years, we've repeatedly re-invented designs for repeater firearms or for steam-powered wagons usable as commuter vehicles, but they never really took off in their first iterations. To get an invention right, one must make a lot of trial and error attempts first, and keep at it on a long-term basis, all the while not being discouraged. Also, do you think most tribesmen of the pre-Neolithic would be thrilled if some dreamer in their tribe wasted precious time by fiddling with (and wasting) materials on some sort of daft "bow" idea ? I doubt they'd be that tolerant, especially if they had the impression that he's not getting anywhere and is staying at home in the process, lowering their chances at successful hunting.

Like with everything in human prehistory, every single breakthrough and highly influential invention/discovery took quite a bit of time to get perfected and become accepted in wide use. Theoretically, maybe some fellow invented an awesome Stone Age bow and arrow as far back as 50 000 BC, but if his culture refused to adopt it and use it, and he "took the secret to his grave", then the innovation of the bow was snuffed out early until some other guy or gal in that same or completely different culture thought of it again, as a scientific/tool concept.

I therefore doubt you'll be seeing even pre-Cromagnon and pre-Neanderthal representatives of Homo leaving Africa with bows and arrows, nevermind pre-Homo hominids doing the same. The simplest of wooden bows might look easy to make at face value, to our jaded contemporary eyes, but how many people from over a hundred years ago thought of inventing something as mundane and deceptively simple as the clothes' zipper ? Very few, and it took a while until the thing was patented and started spreading as a legit improvement for modern clothes.

It's similar to how in antiquity, you couldn't really get a society with philosophers and scholars unless that society was already wealthy enough, had well-established trade and a surplus of food to live off of. This allowed certain parts of society to devote some of their suddenly available free time to things like thinking, speculating, or even more actively pursuing science, experimentation, inventions, or arts.

Concerning "the bow being so easy to make, everyone must have surely come up with it !" claims: Some cultures that had been isolated for a very long time never even bothered to invent bows on their own. Look at most of the Australian native cultures. They were skillful, smart, etc., but aside from a few tribes in the north getting the bow via contact with overseas native cultures, most of the natives never created bows. They were perfectly happy with their woomera-s (and other names used for their spear throwers) and kept using the thrower+spear combo for hunting for tens of thousands of years. And they weren't any worse off for it.
 
Concerning "the bow being so easy to make, everyone must have surely come up with it !" claims: Some cultures that had been isolated for a very long time never even bothered to invent bows on their own. Look at most of the Australian native cultures. They were skillful, smart, etc., but aside from a few tribes in the north getting the bow via contact with overseas native cultures, most of the natives never created bows. They were perfectly happy with their woomera-s (and other names used for their spear throwers) and kept using the thrower+spear combo for hunting for tens of thousands of years. And they weren't any worse off for it.

You are completely right. An invention of the bow and arrow would have to be early enough in the Stone Age to spread amongst all human groups, including those who became the Australians and the Amerindians. If it was, it's certainly interesting what might become of the Americas and Australia.

But I would think the bow and arrow is a superior technology, considering the cultural diffusion and the fact that archaeologically, we know it displaced other tools/weapons wherever it was adopted. But there's many reasons why it might not have been come up with, as you noted.
 
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Thing is, the bow had been invented in multiple cultures worldwide, independently of each other. Some spread of the bow was from one culture to the other, but it wasn't some prerequisite. A lot of cultures just had the same basic idea for a tool/weapon of that sort.
 
this is wrong though, the oldest remains are found in South Africa thats Middle Stone Age
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161020092107.htm
If you read the article, it really looks like they're ASSUMING those were arrowheads.
Aha.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-11086110
looks like a different take on what's probably the same find. And yes, it does look like a) projectile use from the damage, and b) that they were glued to something.
So... yeah, probably.
 
That same article cites a scientist making a very good point about bow construction:

"Hunting with a bow and arrow requires intricate multi-staged planning, material collection and tool preparation and implies a range of innovative social and communication skills."

Until we're certain these were arrowheads, though, we should curb our enthusiasm.
 
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