No Nuclear Weapons

Big Bombs...

Uh, Hiroshima & Nagasaki are levelled by incendiaries, like some dozen other towns and cities prior to The Big Two...

Then USAF just keep on bombing until there's nothing standing outside the Imperial Palace.

Then USN subs interdict food shipments until Japan starves...

It may end up like North Korea, living on a shoe-string and perpetually at war with Allied forces on outlying islands...

Without nukes, you don't get ICBMs, but you do get a lot more emphasis on bombers, escort & interceptor fighters and anti-aircraft missiles..

For precision bombing, you have Dambusters' Tallboy ground-penetrating 'earthquake' bombs. For area clearance, FAE and sub-munitions.

There'll be much bigger standing armies in Western Europe, with emphasis on tank / anti-tank warfare...

Mind you, countries can afford suchwithout military nuclear programs, Polaris subs etc etc...
 

archaeogeek

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Uh, Hiroshima & Nagasaki are levelled by incendiaries, like some dozen other towns and cities prior to The Big Two...

Then USAF just keep on bombing until there's nothing standing outside the Imperial Palace.

Then USN subs interdict food shipments until Japan starves...

It may end up like North Korea, living on a shoe-string and perpetually at war with Allied forces on outlying islands...

Without nukes, you don't get ICBMs, but you do get a lot more emphasis on bombers, escort & interceptor fighters and anti-aircraft missiles..

For precision bombing, you have Dambusters' Tallboy ground-penetrating 'earthquake' bombs. For area clearance, FAE and sub-munitions.

There'll be much bigger standing armies in Western Europe, with emphasis on tank / anti-tank warfare...

Mind you, countries can afford suchwithout military nuclear programs, Polaris subs etc etc...

Russia would long have invaded by that point, firebombing the two cities that were nuked and seeing Russia crush the kwantung army in a week would have the exact same result as OTL, except maybe a Soviet Hokkaido.
 

Maur

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Uh, Hiroshima & Nagasaki are levelled by incendiaries, like some dozen other towns and cities prior to The Big Two...

Then USAF just keep on bombing until there's nothing standing outside the Imperial Palace.

Then USN subs interdict food shipments until Japan starves...

It may end up like North Korea, living on a shoe-string and perpetually at war with Allied forces on outlying islands...
Nah, they surrender after RKKA rolls over Kuantung army swamping Korea and China in the process.

And they better surrender fast if they don't want to see soviet soldiers landing in Japan proper.
 
Hit the beach

The Marines hit the beach on the Japnaise main land. Several of us are butterflied out of existance as our grandfathers were killed during the fightimg in Japan.
 
Japan is firebombed and starved into submission. In the aftermath, there's a Japanese SSR due to the Soviet landing as well. South Korea is occupied by the Red Army. China falls early.

Poison gas is stockpiled in preparation for the Inevitable War.

The space program is delayed a long time, as the OTL driver for it (ICBM carrying a nuke) is gone.
 
In the aftermath, there's a Japanese SSR due to the Soviet landing as well.
?Why are people so convinced that Russia would violate the Tehran Conference divisions of territory.?

There would be a lot more interest in the German Air Independent Submarine research.
?What happens to East Europe, if the US is busy in the Pacific for another year? ?What happens to the Marchall Plan?

There were several new Planes & Ships that got canceled due to the sudden end of the War, Others that would have a longer run so more surplus post War.

That proposed British/Commonwealth Division would end up in Japan, So some, Canadian & British -Japanese War Brides.

?Does this make the US - - ?More or Less? -- likely to support the French invasion of Vietnam?
 

archaeogeek

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Japan is firebombed and starved into submission. In the aftermath, there's a Japanese SSR due to the Soviet landing as well. South Korea is occupied by the Red Army. China falls early.

Poison gas is stockpiled in preparation for the Inevitable War.

The space program is delayed a long time, as the OTL driver for it (ICBM carrying a nuke) is gone.

I see a Manchuria SSR or an all-Korea PRK (without the wackiness of the Kim dynasty who would remain Pyongyang rejects of the mainline CPK, sorry for all-Korea Best Korea fans) as more likely than Soviet Japan tbh, even with a landing.
 
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The Marines hit the beach on the Japnaise main land. Several of us are butterflied out of existance as our grandfathers were killed during the fightimg in Japan.

Not to mention several divisions of Airborne troops. My own Grandfather was slated to be among them. He had already survived Normandy, Market Garden and Bastogne. I'm not sure how much longer his luck would have held.
 
The space program is delayed a long time, as the OTL driver for it (ICBM carrying a nuke) is gone.

The implications of that in itself are huge. Without the need to develop nuclear capable rockets then the launching of the first communications and weather satellites are delayed at least 10-15 years, ditto for Earth observation satellites, the robotic exploration of the planets, especially the outer solar system is similarly delayed as will all the missions studying the universe such as Hubble.

Overall a lot of current knowledge about the Earth and space wouldn't have been discovered by now and moon landings would still be science fiction.
 
?Why are people so convinced that Russia would violate the Tehran Conference divisions of territory.?
Stalin wasn't the most trustworthy, even if he saw Greece, Italy, and France as Anglo-American prizes on par with Romania, Bulgaria, and the like. Still, he was getting fairly crazy late in life. Hence why people believe he was poisoned, with his Doctor's Plot having been to spark a war with the West.
 
Eventually, a war between the USSR and the West. The Soviets would try to stave off the war for at least one (if not two) generation, as their shattered economy and loss of population would be smarting for some time. The West would likely not fire the first shot, though possible points for flare-ups would be:

1. Berlin airlift
2. Korean War
3. Yom Kippur War
4. Desert Storm

Really, the only time the Soviets could have possibly succeeded would have been to intervene on behalf of the Arab States after Israel turned its situation around during the Yom Kippur War. The Soviet Union was at its zenith by the early 70s. Berlin airlift would have been too early (see comment about recovering from WWII), and if the US invested in the Korean War as totally as it did in WWII, foreseeing a possible conflict with the USSR, it would have eventually ended up with flights of B-29s over Beijing, and quality overcoming quantity - this would still have been too close to WWII for the Soviets. By Desert Storm, the USSR was already on the fast economic decline, and the West had, by leaps and bounds, much greater technological power than the USSR.

Other, less possible flare ups:

1. Vietnam (Guaranteed to rally the US population, if either PRC or USSR openly invaded south on behalf of the north)
2. Six Day War (Over too fast)
3. Soviets in Afghanistan (why would the West ruin a good, slow bleed and guarantee conflict in e Europe?)
4. Falklands Conflict (Would've taken too much effort to swing Argentina into the Communist camp before war's end)
 
The implications of that in itself are huge. Without the need to develop nuclear capable rockets then the launching of the first communications and weather satellites are delayed at least 10-15 years, ditto for Earth observation satellites, the robotic exploration of the planets, especially the outer solar system is similarly delayed as will all the missions studying the universe such as Hubble.

Overall a lot of current knowledge about the Earth and space wouldn't have been discovered by now and moon landings would still be science fiction.

Yes.

There'd still be a big rocket lobby among the US Army, Navy, and Air Force, led by Germans and home-grown engineers. Perhaps they could persuade the Department of War to make rockets carrying poison gas? Reconaissance satellites are going to be appealing, but without ICBMs, they'll be delayed to 1970 at least.
 
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The democratic allies, I believe, already had troops in S Korea, so that division wouldn't move.

Why are people so convinced that Russia would violate the Tehran Conference divisions of territory.
Because he acted in bad faith on that very front, not to mention Eastern Europe. After the war, he sent letters to Truman saying Japan should be divvied up like Germany between occupying Allies. Given his record of breaking agreements to communize turf under his armies' control, Truman denied the request.

Stalin was no good guy. He also probably killed a big a fraction of his own people as Hitler, including plenty of Jews.
 
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