No Northern Catering

[LittleSpeer]

What if no Compromise of 1850 and the North refused to cater anymore to the south which led to an early start to the war?(and don't say they would not do this)

How quick would the South be defeated or would European powers take a bigger part in the War?

 

[Grey Wolf]

What if no Compromise of 1850 and the North refused to cater anymore to the south which led to an early start to the war?(and don't say they would not do this)

How quick would the South be defeated or would European powers take a bigger part in the War?

Earlier on they may well have more advantages - less of an industrialisation gap, plus the not so distant Mexican War where many CSA military leaders made their names./..

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

 

[Xen]

Earlier on they may well have more advantages - less of an industrialisation gap, plus the not so distant Mexican War where many CSA military leaders made their names./..

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

I concur. An earlier secession movement might extend into Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri possibly even Delaware. Thats more men and supplies for this alternate south, which might be all it takes for independence.

 

[TheDifferenceEngine]

The title of this thread is going to mean something VERY different to the British board members

 

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

The title of this thread is going to mean something VERY different to the British board members

What, you mean no haggis served at board dinners?

 

[Jaded_Railman]

The title of this thread is going to mean something VERY different to the British board members

American, too.

I came in here thinking Northern Catering was a business firm of some sort or that the TC had something against Yankee food service...

 

[mowque]

American, too.

I came in here thinking Northern Catering was a business firm of some sort or that the TC had something against Yankee food service...

Same here

 

[LittleSpeer]

I concur. An earlier secession movement might extend into Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri possibly even Delaware. Thats more men and supplies for this alternate south, which might be all it takes for independence.

So ur saying that the South would win the war but in this better position of power, would they go for the gold and try to squeeze all they could out of the North, possibly even take it over.

 

[David S Poepoe]

What if no Compromise of 1850 and the North refused to cater anymore to the south which led to an early start to the war?(and don't say they would not do this)

How quick would the South be defeated or would European powers take a bigger part in the War?

I think its entirely speculative that a war would break out in the 1850s. The general interpretation of the Constitution was that it was a voluntary union and that succession was permissable. Historically there were quite a few Northerners that favored the slaves state leaving.

 

[GreatScottMarty]

I think its entirely speculative that a war would break out in the 1850s. The general interpretation of the Constitution was that it was a voluntary union and that succession was permissable. Historically there were quite a few Northerners that favored the slaves state leaving.

Nope, according to Unionists, in terms of political weight if not physical bodies union was the majority view, remember the election of 1860 was Abe Lincoln vs. two democratic parties and a third party the south with John C Breckinridge for Pres and the Northern one with Stephen A Douglas and the third party was John Bell, so basically the majority view was for Union and this was settled by Jackson's proclamation to South Carolina in 1832. When you throw out Nullification as being extrapolatable (is that even a word?) from the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions then in a legal sense seccession is illegal.
just for my sake who were the Northerners in favor of southern secession?

 

[Cornwall]

There was never any Northern catering when I lived there.......I lived on chips and gravy for years......oh, and sometimes a beef and onion pie.

 

[mowque]

So ur saying that the South would win the war but in this better position of power, would they go for the gold and try to squeeze all they could out of the North, possibly even take it over.

Stop dreaming. Nothing can result in that...

 

[LittleSpeer]

Stop dreaming. Nothing can result in that...

one can always be tainted by Spike Lees "The Confederate States of America"

 

[DuQuense]

What if no Compromise of 1850 and the North refused to cater anymore to the south which led to an early start to the war?

I am not sure there would be a War. without Lincoln and His- fight to save the Union at all costs-, it is very possible that the split would be peaceful.
Remembre Buccannon didn't think he had the legal right to use force to keep South in.

 

[GreatScottMarty]

the president is Millard Fillmore, who seems to be quite the compromiser according to Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_Fillmore

 

[Mad Bad Rabbit]

the president is Millard Fillmore, who seems to be quite the compromiser according to Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_Fillmore

OTOH: if Fillmore and Taylor both die in 1850, pro-slavery Democrat
William R. King will become President ; and there will have to be a
special election that fall. That ought to derail any Compromise unti
the following winter at a minimum.

Bonus points if the Whigs nominate William Seward and the Democrats
nominate Lewis Cass...

 

[Thande]

What?! No Yorkshire puddings?! No Lancashire hot pot?! I know this is an alternate history board but some thing are beyond the pale, and

Ohwaitnevermind.

 

[Frige]

one can always be tainted by Spike Lees "The Confederate States of America"

I didn't know he was involved in the production. ?

 

[robertp6165]

I didn't know he was involved in the production. ?

He wasn't. Kevin Wilmot made the film. Spike Lee's involvement was solely in promotion...he lent his name to it so it would be distributed more widely.

 

[robertp6165]

OTOH: if Fillmore and Taylor both die in 1850, pro-slavery Democrat
William R. King will become President ; and there will have to be a
special election that fall. That ought to derail any Compromise unti
the following winter at a minimum.

Bonus points if the Whigs nominate William Seward and the Democrats
nominate Lewis Cass...

Actually William R. King had a terminal illness and would have died within a month after taking office...assuming he would even have accepted the office (he was in Cuba at the time Taylor died, for health reasons). The new President would have been DAVID RICE ATCHISON. Which, if you have ever read anything about him, was VERY SCARY to contemplate as POTUS.