No NATO or Warsaw Pact

The Warsaw Pact could be avoided if West Germany does not become a member of NATO. Doing away with NATO itself might be difficult.
 
The Warsaw Pact could be avoided if West Germany does not become a member of NATO. Doing away with NATO itself might be difficult.
Hunh! I never knew that the WP POSTdated West Germany's joining NATO. I even went and checked, and you're right. You learn something everyday.
 
The Warsaw Pact could be avoided if West Germany does not become a member of NATO. Doing away with NATO itself might be difficult.

"Neutral belt" could achieve that, i.e. unified but strictly neutral Germany (something along Austria), Austria and Switzerland plus Sweden and Finland. That way you avoid direct contact between what was WarPac and NATO.
 
If Nazi Germany took over Europe and didnt screw with the USSR or America, then there would be no place for NATO or WTO to happen.
 
If Nazi Germany took over Europe and didnt screw with the USSR or America, then there would be no place for NATO or WTO to happen.

3 way power bloc.

Might make for some stiff technological competition.
Also, would Nazi Germany existing next door to the SU prevent the SU from collapsing as long as the Nazis were also still in operation?
 
Could, but not likely (unless you believe the Soviet propaganda of the time).

I would not necessarily regard it as propaganda, though certainly the Cold War megaphone played it for all that it was worth.

Russia has been invaded many times and has a fundamental preference in its foreign policy toward maintaining a neutral zone, where possible, between itself and its enemies. The Soviets had a similar policy outlook; they viewed a neutral West Germany as a balancing neutral zone between themselves and the other Allied victors. When that neutral zone was lost, they consolidated their hold over the satellites.

During 1954, when the West German issue was a point of disagreement between NATO and the USSR, the offer was made to recreate the Joint Allied Council - this was refused. Then, in 1955, West Germany joined NATO, bringing NATO to the border of the socialist bloc. It was quite reasonable, I think, for the Soviets to pay attention to formalisation of their previously understood defence cooperation.
 
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