WI Hitler decided not to make the pact with the Soviets but to simply just go a head and invade Poland and start the war with no aid from the Soviets
there will be epic failure on the side of the Nazis as the Soviets crush the shit out of them at the Poland-Russian Border.
Now this is actually pretty interesting.
I can't see the Soviets immediately go to war with the Nazis over Poland, but Stalin is definitely much less blind to the idea of a Nazi invasion in the early 40s.
One interesting possibility I could see is that the western allies try to reach some deal with the Soviets to open up the eastern front in exchange for letting the Soviets having the eastern parts of Poland and the former parts of the Tsarists empire.
First and foremost, without the pact with the USSR, Hitler will not risk invading Poland in the first place.
First and foremost, without the pact with the USSR, Hitler will not risk invading Poland in the first place.
Germany bankruptsThe most likely result of Munich II is that the Western powers agree to let Germany have the Danzig corridor back and "persuade" Poland (on threat of renouncing their guarantees of its independence) to accept the "minor border changes." The Western powers feared Stalin as much as they do Hitler and see a strong militaristic Germany as a bulwark against Russian aggression. Hitler uses this to get Danzig and buy time. Stalin gets parts of Eastern Poland thought not as much as he would have with the treaty he got in OTL. Poland remains an independent nation--for now.
What happens after Munich II is subject to a great deal of speculation. Consider, Hitler now has time to greatly improve and enlarge his army and can concentrate on one enemy at a time. Where do we go from here?
The most likely result of Munich II is that the Western powers agree to let Germany have the Danzig corridor back and "persuade" Poland (on threat of renouncing their guarantees of its independence) to accept the "minor border changes." The Western powers feared Stalin as much as they do Hitler and see a strong militaristic Germany as a bulwark against Russian aggression. Hitler uses this to get Danzig and buy time. Stalin gets parts of Eastern Poland thought not as much as he would have with the treaty he got in OTL. Poland remains an independent nation--for now.
What happens after Munich II is subject to a great deal of speculation. Consider, Hitler now has time to greatly improve and enlarge his army and can concentrate on one enemy at a time. Where do we go from here?
Without a Molotov- Ribbentrop pact the USSR will join the Allies, and enter Eastern Poland to "assist" the Poles, whether Poland want it or not. Germany can't fight a two front war at this point. Nazis lose, USSR keep Eastern Poland, and accuse the Baltic States of being Nazis, and bully them to allow Soviet troops on their territory. Then they get annexed like OTL. The USSR becomes the new bogeyman of Europe.
This is the most likely, IMHO, assuming Hitler gets couped by the military and the military agrees to disgorge Czechoslovakia. It could be a pretty white peace, both because educated opinion in the WAllies is that Germany deserves a place in the sun and because the WAllies leadership is going to be spooked by the Red Menace.
I disagreeHitler would not have invaded Poland if he knew there was a chance Russia could possibly get involved. Hitler knew he was in a race wth Great Britain and France to secure some sort of deal wth Moscow. In OTL Germany won this race and was able to secure Russian assurances in non-interference in Germany's conquests.
I disagree
This is -Hitler- we are talking about, I doubt he'd cancel case white mere days before it starts.
I think more likely he attacks Poland, then hands it as a fait accompli to Stalin and maybe work out some sort of deal from there.
The Nazi-Soviet Pact was signed just days before the Germans were to invade Poland, all preparations were already complete; the Pact was meant to weaken Anglo-French resolve to go to war to assist Poland.