No Mexican American War

I have a problem, in one of my timelines, I want to prevent the Mexican American War while still having America annex Texas. How do I achieve this in my timeline?

Assuming no Mexican American War happens, would The Bear Flag Revolt result in Californian independence? Or would Mexico manage to keep hold on the rebels?
 
one way would be to have Mexico implode. In the time Texas rebelled, several other states were in rebellion have all and more be successful to the point there is simply no Mexico and thus no Mexican American War
 

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Assuming no Mexican American War happens, would The Bear Flag Revolt result in Californian independence? Or would Mexico manage to keep hold on the rebels?
The Mexican army would crush it. It was rather unlikely that the Texan army wasn't crushed but Santa Anna's incompetence can't last forever.
 
You could have Texas and Mexico agree to a lasting truce at some point after the treaty of Velasco, but where Texas agrees to the Nueces River boundary. It's not very likely, as Mexico had a complex about giving up sparsely populated parts of their hinterlands.

Something else you may want to consider is finding some event that changes the national character of the United States, where Manifest Destiny is stillborn as part of the American psyche.
 
In theory you can't avoid a war. Mexico's heartland is too strong for break away states to remain independent without being propped up and most likely absorbed by another power. More so while US settlers continue to settle in Mexican territories, you are going to see a conflict between the US and Mexico. What you would need to avoid this is either a very different US or Mexico. You might have to go as far back as either nations creation.

To stop break away states you need to encourage more immigration to Mexico from Europe. If the Mexicans can spread out in larger numbers than the US settlers can, then it becomes harder for breakaway states to rebel. A few more changes with Mexico's government and you see a good chance of Mexico being strong enough to look after itself.
 
In theory you can't avoid a war. Mexico's heartland is too strong for break away states to remain independent without being propped up and most likely absorbed by another power. More so while US settlers continue to settle in Mexican territories, you are going to see a conflict between the US and Mexico. What you would need to avoid this is either a very different US or Mexico. You might have to go as far back as either nations creation.

To stop break away states you need to encourage more immigration to Mexico from Europe. If the Mexicans can spread out in larger numbers than the US settlers can, then it becomes harder for breakaway states to rebel. A few more changes with Mexico's government and you see a good chance of Mexico being strong enough to look after itself.

Though it might depend what sort of US immigrants. If things hold into the 1850s, might the rise of the Know-Nothings cause a lot of Irish and Germans to move on into Mexican territory, (iirc quite a few Germans went to Texas even OTL) and once there harbour negative feelings about the US and be willing to fight for Mexico against it or against any rebels seeking annexation?

And if the Saints still come to Great Salt Lake, could we see a Mormon Legion in Mexican service instead of American?
 
Guys, I think the point behind this is making a more America FUCK YEAH! timeline where the USA can keep the territories while not fighting what is basically a war of conquest.

It's kind of hard to see why Mexico would let their territories be taken by the US and do nothing.
 
Guys, I think the point behind this is making a more America FUCK YEAH! timeline where the USA can keep the territories while not fighting what is basically a war of conquest.

It's kind of hard to see why Mexico would let their territories be taken by the US and do nothing.

No, rather I want a Timeline where America gets none of Nuevo Mexico or Alta California, only the lands controlled by the republic of Texas
 
No, rather I want a Timeline where America gets none of Nuevo Mexico or Alta California, only the lands controlled by the republic of Texas
You might want to consider a POD where the US does much worse in the War of 1812. That might mess up the Louisiana purchase and Texas, but the challenge, is that by the time the US annexes Texas, the broad strokes of history are going to be hard to butterfly away.
Another option is one in which the US has more pronounced internal divisions than IOTL, where the energy needed to have settlers claiming new territory is stymied.

But here's an idea. Say that Aaron Burr is actually successful in his effort to colonize Texas and he manages to split off Texas from Spain during the height of the Napoleonic Wars by means of payment or something along those lines. After the Spanish Empire implodes and Mexico's revolution is launched, Burr's little republic manages to make a claim of independence stick. The war of 1812 fires off, but goes worse, and Britain ends up holding New Orleans after the treaty of Ghent is signed. The US and UK spend the next 20 years negotiating shipping rights along the Mississippi, causing places like Arkansas and Missouri to lag well behind their OTL rate of development.

In this scenario, Burr dies in 1836 like IOTL, but his death results in a shift in thinking in his little rump republic and his successors appeal to the US for annexation.

I'm sure there are plenty of holes in this but it seems to me to be one way to have things sputter out after a Texas annexation.
 
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