no Jan Zamoyski

Most know he helped the swedish Sigismund III Vasa to gain the Polish throne in 1588.
He also conducted the Moldavian Campain 1595 removing valachian Michael le Brave from Moldova and even Valachia.

We all know the war with Sweden was the begining of Deluge for Poland
A great oportunity lost for romanians/valachians to incorporate Moldavia and Transilvania at 1600 not 1859 and 1918.

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What if he never existed to gain the victory for Sigismund and Maximilian III Archduke of Austria was the new polish king.
What if Habsburg dinasty would have rulled Poland with an iron hand or involved in the 30 years war.
What if the Long War(1593-1606) was ending with a decisive victory for Habsburgs and Poland was taking control of Black Sea shore, expanding to control of Crimea and Caucaz area later.
What if Austria was expanding its control over most of Hungary taking Belgrade also.
This changes coupled with Michael le Brave popular suport in Bulgaria will lead him take control of the north Bulgaria.
 
Most know he helped the swedish Sigismund III Vasa to gain the Polish throne in 1588.
He also conducted the Moldavian Campain 1595 removing valachian Michael le Brave from Moldova and even Valachia.

We all know the war with Sweden was the begining of Deluge for Poland
A great oportunity lost for romanians/valachians to incorporate Moldavia and Transilvania at 1600 not 1859 and 1918.

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What if he never existed to gain the victory for Sigismund and Maximilian III Archduke of Austria was the new polish king.
What if Habsburg dinasty would have rulled Poland with an iron hand or involved in the 30 years war.
What if the Long War(1593-1606) was ending with a decisive victory for Habsburgs and Poland was taking control of Black Sea shore, expanding to control of Crimea and Caucaz area later.
What if Austria was expanding its control over most of Hungary taking Belgrade also.
This changes coupled with Michael le Brave popular suport in Bulgaria will lead him take control of the north Bulgaria.

A Polish involvement in the 30 years war would mean the very same conflict with Sweden avoided a generation before, but with the Swedes able to present themselves as a rallying point to all the anti-Hapsburg nobles and all the Protestants in Poland.
If the war is not butterflied away, of course.
You'd have an Hapsburg behemoth in the center of Europe and everybody else in Europe would put his best efforts in breaking it apart.
 
It is much easier to speak about "ruling with iron fist" in Poland than actually do it. Read about Zebrzydowski Rebellion. Against Habsburgs it would have been much stronger, I believe, since more noblemen and magnates would have been opposed to their more autocratic rule.
 
Ok lets supose they dont use an iron hand at start of their rule in Poland but arround 3th king of house of Habsburg, that remove the liberum veto and makes posible financing the expansion towards south-east Black Sea in cooperation with Austrian line of the house.
Or a more tolerant religiosly Habsburg rule both empire and Poland.
No 30 yers war and so no France and Sweden gains, no depopulation of the german space at 1650 due to mercenaries wondering all arround and plundering.

How would Poland do than versus Russia later?
how would affect a habsburg dinasty the partition of Poland?
Or the anti-otoman fight in south east Europe.
 
Originally posted by Voltairness
Ok lets supose they dont use an iron hand at start of their rule in Poland but arround 3th king of house of Habsburg, that remove the liberum veto and makes posible financing the expansion towards south-east Black Sea in cooperation with Austrian line of the house.
Or a more tolerant religiosly Habsburg rule both empire and Poland.
No 30 yers war and so no France and Sweden gains, no depopulation of the german space at 1650 due to mercenaries wondering all arround and plundering.
How would Poland do than versus Russia later?
how would affect a habsburg dinasty the partition of Poland?
Or the anti-otoman fight in south east Europe.

And who can guarantee that there would be a third king of Habsburg dynasty? Remember that Polish kings were elected. Of course, if the first Habsburg (Maximilian) proves to be a good ruler, respecting Polish traditions and noblemen rights, his son has a good chance to be elected. Or even if he does not, as Vasas' example showes. However, Habsburgs would be seen as members of a royal family with very absolutistic tendencies, therefore POlish-Lithuanian noblemen would have been very careful with them.
Oh, and with Habsburgs in power, abolishing liberum veto and no 30-years war I think we can safely say there will be no partition of Poland-Lithuania, at least not as it happened IOTL.
First, Prussia will probably remain Polish vassal, in time it can even be incorpotrated into the Commonwealth - if Polish Habsburgs don't allow the Brandenburg-Prussia union (1648 IOTL), Poland can simply annex Prussia after Prussian line of Hohenzollern ends. And since Habsburgs are interested in Austrian hegemony in Germany, they will not allow Brandenburg to become too strong.
Second, with strong central authority Poland-Lithuania has good chances of dealing with Russia on its own. Polish intervention during the Times of Troubles might be more successful, although I doubt there will be a Habsburg tsar in the Kremlin.
Third, Austria will not annex parts of Poland because Habsburg family already rules the Commonwealth.
 
But you know Russia wanted to annex Danubian Principalities and searching a way out they ended deciding to split Poland in 3.
If is no Poland to split a war might happen:Russia versus Austria and Poland?
If a war break out right when french revolution will take place who will be the enemy of the french republic than?
 
Voltairness, remeber butterfly effect. The Habsburgs on Polish throne can change everything. The French Revolution may not happen; Russia may never rise from the Time of Troubles; the Habsburgs may appease the Ukrainian Cossacks making them loyal soldiers of the Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth, successfully cutting Russia from Danube; Polish-Austrian alliance may crush the Ottomans making the Habsburgs rulers of whole Easter and Central Europe, Balkans and Black Sea coast with Crimea included. No Thirty Years War or ended quickly with whole Polish might on Habsburg side. The Habsurgs as champions of religious freedom in Europe... Or something completely different - great civil war in PLC overthrowing Habsburg king of Poland. Habsburgs smashed in the Thirty Years War. Ottomans capturing Vienna and endangering Cracow. Collapse of the HRE with France as hegemon in Germany... Everything can happen.
 
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