No Ivan

Rusia stays even more isolated TOTL, Dispite the horror stories, Ivan & Peter & Catherine got part of their repurtations due to trying to FORCE Russia to modernize.
 
The various Mongol Khanates may get a reprieve to unite against Moscow and Russia would not exist.

It should be remembered that Ivan the Terrible is a mistranslation of Ivan the Awesome. To Russians of that era being terrible is terrific!
 
The various Mongol Khanates may get a reprieve to unite against Moscow and Russia would not exist.

It should be remembered that Ivan the Terrible is a mistranslation of Ivan the Awesome. To Russians of that era being terrible is terrific!

Its worth noting that the descendents of the Golden Horde in western Russia had long lost their Mongolian character by the Sixteenth Century. By this era, they were often referred to as "Tatars" by their contemporaries, and were more closer in culture to the Ottoman Turks than they were to their Mongol forebears.
 
Its worth noting that the descendents of the Golden Horde in western Russia had long lost their Mongolian character by the Sixteenth Century. By this era, they were often referred to as "Tatars" by their contemporaries, and were more closer in culture to the Ottoman Turks than they were to their Mongol forebears.
Yes well, regardless Russia might not exist without Ivan.

BTW "Tatar" was a catch all for all nomadic or semi-nomadic Asian horse tribes. Even the Manchus were called Tatars.
 
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