No Hundred Years War

Quoting this, just in case anybody missed it the first time around.
The counts of Anjou, dukes of Normandy, and counts/dukes (I'm not entirely clear on Brittany's status at this point) Brittany sort of, and dukes of Aquitaine are all vassals of the King of France.

Pericles: I think that splitting up Normandy, Anjou, Maine, Brittany and Aquitaine/Gascony between the sons of Henry II is likely to stop any OTL style Hundred Years War stone dead, for no other reason than the swarms of butterflies unleashed, and the removal of the biggest issue between France and England.

This was not the French Crown, but the fact that the Duke of Aquitaine, Normandy et al. - in the personage of the King of England - owed fealty to the King of France. If the king of England holds no land subservient to the French crown, this is not a problem. There is no longera conflict of interest, as the English King's interest stops at the Channel, as does that of the French at the other side. There is no confusion over sovereignty.

This also means it becomes much easier for the French crown to exert influence in the Angevin French lands. Richard, Geoffrey and any of their sons are likely to be infighting and backbiting as much as in OTL. This gives Philip Augustus the perfect chance to divide and rule. He managed it OTL, even with English money and troops against him.

To make it more difficult for France, I would suspect you need one brother to inherit all of the Angevin lands in France. However, this makes him richer than his kinsman on the English throne, so there could be more issues there than in the French Court. If the Capetian line dies out, and this line Angevin Dukes still hold sway over most of their OTL land, then the incumbent may become king of France. However, this means very little to England, as this hypothetical Duke is French, and probably has been for generations. I also fail to see the Balkanisation of France as a likely result.
 
Yes, this is basically the paradox of this alternate history.

The finish line is always :
- either the angevin dynasty is victorious and it becomes king of France ... and England is satellized by France under its angevin kings,
- or the angevin dynasty is defeated and we are back to our real history were England can play on its specific assets but has for this to give up the vain dream of holding significant territory on the european continent.

Geography being what it is, you have to accept the fact that England's expulsion from France was the key to its own greatness. After burning Joan of Arc, the english should have raised a statue to her.
 
Yes, this is basically the paradox of this alternate history.

The finish line is always :
- either the angevin dynasty is victorious and it becomes king of France ... and England is satellized by France under its angevin kings,
- or the angevin dynasty is defeated and we are back to our real history were England can play on its specific assets but has for this to give up the vain dream of holding significant territory on the european continent.

Geography being what it is, you have to accept the fact that England's expulsion from France was the key to its own greatness. After burning Joan of Arc, the english should have raised a statue to her.

What would an Angevin France be like?
 
Yes, this is basically the paradox of this alternate history.

The finish line is always :
- either the angevin dynasty is victorious and it becomes king of France ... and England is satellized by France under its angevin kings,
- or the angevin dynasty is defeated and we are back to our real history were England can play on its specific assets but has for this to give up the vain dream of holding significant territory on the european continent.

Geography being what it is, you have to accept the fact that England's expulsion from France was the key to its own greatness. After burning Joan of Arc, the english should have raised a statue to her.


Have also the Ruler of the Angevin realms also marry Douce II of Provence who in OTL died which means Provence will be seized by the Angevins, that will strengthen his position of the Angevins against the the House of Toulouse.
 
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