No Hitler, Communist Germany

imagine, that Hitlers Nazi Party never gained the popularity it needed to rise to power. Instead there was a communist revolution. Possibly a REAL German/Russian alliance. this would mean that all types of technlogical advances made by germany would be shared by the two countries. and more importantly, none would have been captured by the Americans, this includes rocket technoligy, making the space race fairly one sided. what other mishaps/ benifits would have occured between the US,Soviet Union and possiby any other countries?
 
You don't seem to realise that almost all of Germany's technological advances in the 30s and 40s were due to Hitler coming to power. They could all be butterflied away without him. I believe there's a timeline with a communist Germany somewhere around..
 

yourworstnightmare

Banned
Donor
No Hitler soesn't necessary mean a Communist Germany, while it certainly is a possibility it's no way granted. there could also be;

a) Presidential rule under Hindenburg, power is diverted from the Reichtag to the president's office. After Hindenburg's detah it might go on if another conservative Prussian become president.

b) No Nazi nationalists; The Nazis were not the only ones demanding a Greater Germany and revenge for WW1.

c) Weimar survive; Best case scenario, the republic ride out the rough time and German democracy survive all the challenges

d) Return of the monarchy; Farfetched, but not impossible.
 

Stephen

Banned
A comunist Soviet-German alliance would be bad, very bad. It could lead to Starlins troops marching all across europe in a world war bloodier than OTL with Moskow eventually being incinerated by Fatman.
 
A comunist Soviet-German alliance would be bad, very bad. It could lead to Starlins troops marching all across europe in a world war bloodier than OTL with Moskow eventually being incinerated by Fatman.

Yes, because Starlins troops were so much deadlier than Stalin's weak military that was only changed when a Fascist Germany attack Russia.
 
wat ever happen to Hitler
gets kill during 1924 beer hall putsch
or get banned from Germany
more on that here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86111

in that case NSDAP would be know as the Nationalsozialistische Freiheitsbewegung (NSFB)
with leader called Ernst Graf zu Reventlow
and is a obscure nationalism, socalistic, anti-semitism Party

NSFB play in Weimare Republic only a littel rolle
NSDAP became famous because Hitler charismatic evil oratory.

so a Communist Germany ?
the Weimare Republic was a political chaos, Left and right was very deep divided
see OTL The German parliamentary election of 1932
there were 14 political parties electet in Reichstag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

in a TL without Hitler
who gona be political winner ?
this one: Reichspartei für Volksrecht und Aufwertung short VRP
a Interested Party of inflation crisis Victims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichspartei_für_Volksrecht_und_Aufwertung

Starlin hope that german Communist start a revolution
but they were deep divided
Kommunistische Arbeiter-Union Deutschlands (a autonomous workers councils)
Kommunistische Arbeiter-Partei Deutschlands (the Communist Workers International)
Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands (the Leninism fraction, later Stalinism)

as to Stalin surprise Hitler takes over and german KPD Communist fleed to Moscow
he deal with them his way, after The Purge of 1937 there were only two top KPD left:
Walter Ulrich and Erich Mielke


I think that Weimare Republic had ended in Civilwar Left against Right after 1933
 

yourworstnightmare

Banned
Donor
I think 1919-1920 was the best chance for a Communist revolution. If the workers had rose up in the more industrialized western parts of Germany, in the Rhineland and the Northwestern parts the same way they did in Berlin and Munich there would probably have been a Communist revolution.
 
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