No GNW (or “Peter goes South”)

Little victorious war?
87. Little victorious war?
There are no small wars for a great nation”
Wellington
“They never lie as much as during the war, after hunting and before the elections.”

Bismarck
The war consists of unforeseen events”
Napoleon​


Qing banner armies

Muskets and cannons. The soldier's gun is cast from the iron; in length with the bed contains 6 1/10 feet; it is loaded with three «золотник» [1] of gunpowder spools and a bullet with one «золотник». The rifle lodge in the Manchurian and Mongolian divisions is yellow, in the Chinese divisions it is black, and the troops of the green banner are red. Supports are iron, high in a foot. lashing. Gunpowder is placed on the shelf and is lit with a wick. Cannons are of a different caliber and mostly bronze, cast by Catholic missionaries. The weight of the charge gunpowder and the cannon ball is determined by the caliber of the gun; for example, the gun, called the golden dragon, weights up to 370 jins, [2] up to 6 feet long. Gunpowder goes to charge for her up to 8 lan [3] ; the cannonball is up to 16 lan.

Training. Troops
[located in the capital] are trained in military art in their free time. Four banners located in the eastern half of Beijing are trained on the 4th, 8th, 14, 18th, 24th and 28, and four banners located in the western half are trained on the 2nd, 7, 12th, 17th, 22nd and 27th. The exercises begin on the 20th of the first month and lasts up to half past four months. In the summer heat, the exercise stops, and again begins on the 16th of the 7th month and lasts until the 20th of the 12th month {In 1835, the 16th of the 4th month was or the 2nd, and the 16th of the month was August 27.}. Soldiers with the firearms are trained from 8 months, until the new year, only five months, Training is performed three times a month. 200 muskets are taken to the training every time. The Artillery Corps is annually exercised on the Lu-geu-guyao Bridge in the 9th month from the 1st to the 5th. Nine guns are brought from each division, which will amount to 216 guns. Three shots are made of each gun a day.
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In autumn, a review of troops is carried out, accompanied by maneuvers representing the form of battle. Privates in armor and helmets are arranged in five lines. Officers of the back and lines are arranged in rows by class. From the first line, the company chiefs - each against his company, in the second colonels - each against his regiment, all on horseback; further in the same way become their divisional chiefs and their assistants - all on horseback riding.

Maneuvers are opened by trumpeting into the shells - a signal to the upcoming battle. After this, there are three shots from the signal guns - a signal to the opening of the battle, the command is not made by officers, but signals at the first blow to the litavra give a sign with red banners and the troops make a volley of muskets and guns. Thus, nine volleys are produced, marching 50 feet forward after each volley. On the tenth attack, they shoot by readiness from the muskets and guns. After three blows into the metal drum, the fire stops. After this the cavalry, with a general blowing of the shells and a loud shouting, is launched forward in a wedge formation and on this maneuvers end.” [
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The provincial banner troops, except for the regular review, had even less training, except on with the bow: the government relied upon their qualities as the “born horsemen”. However, in this specific area they were quite good, partially due to the severe punishments for those who in an attack dared to get ahead or behind of the formation for more than horse’s head. The heavy cavalry, especially the Mongolian units, had the same 3-4 meters long spears as the Dzungars and similar type of an armor.

The basis of the battle formation were infantry units with hand firearms, covered on the front by spearmen and swordsmen (large shields may have been used) and the cavalry was located in the second line and dealt a decisive blow to the enemy weakened by rifle fire. Manchurian, Mongolian and Chinese "banner" heavy cavalry detachments fought in the tight combat formations and had unified defensive and offensive weapons. Solones and Shivets [5] were a type of light cavalry adapted to act on foot on rough terrain, and Tibetan units were mainly used to maintain order within the country and carry out security service.

On paper total strength of the banner armies was up to 260,000 but a part of that number was used as a garrison of Beijing or for some other purposes and, taking into an account that the whole system was more or less hereditary, the real military force in a birder area was well under 100,000.

The opponents

In theory, Galdan Tseren could raise up to 80,000 out of a total population of 600-800,000. In practice, the number was much lower. Seemingly, the Dzungar cavalry was of a slightly higher quality than their Qing opponents but its equipment and tactics were pretty much the same except for an absence of the artillery.

Munnich had on paper up to 40,000 regular troops and 10-15,000 irregulars (Siberian Cossacks). In a reality, 5-6,000 regulars had been forming the garrisons pf the border fortresses so there were 10 more battalions and 3 dragoon regiments marching to his support from the Western Siberia as well as 5,000 Kalmyks and 5,000 Cossacks riding from Volga and Yaik.

Specifics of the force in his disposal was that it was formed from the numerous battalion-strength units sent to the area at various times or even raised locally. As a result, they were not a part of the standard army structure which was used in the European wars. On one hand this produced certain administrative disadvantage but OTOH it presented an opportunity to build an ad hoc alternative structure more suitable for the specific occasion.

By reshuffling what was available Munnich formed 8 brigades, each containing 6 full strength battalions (800 each) and 400 Cossacks. With the main stress being upon a firepower, each battalion was given 2 20-pounder unicorns and brigade had a battery of 8 guns (4 20-pounder unicorns and 4 6 pounder cannons). There was a strong reserve of the regular and irregular cavalry, field artillery reserve of 40 guns and a siege park of 16 heavy guns.

Fighting starts.

1730.
The hostilities started when the Qing contingent, 15,000 strong, marched out of the Barkul fortress into the Dzungar territory toward the Barkul Lake.
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Near the lake it was intercepted by 20,000 Dzungars and defeated in a multi-hour battle.
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The remaining Qing troops retreated toward the fortress. Altogether, there were more than 25,000 troops in a fortress, which was quite safe against pretty much any Dzungar attack so the Qing commande, senior general Yue Zhongqi, felt himself quite secure and confident looking at the Dzungar cavalry encircling the city and their infantry shooting at the fortress: without the guns they could do nothing and either would go away or will hung there until the Qing reinforcements arrive and crush them.

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However, his relaxed attitude evaporated couple days later when the strangely dressed troops appeared near the fortress. It was not as much their appearance as a number and size of the cannons they had been carrying with them. It took them a day to build the earthworks blocking all four fortress gates and place their batteries. Then the Hell broke loose. Not just the clay fortress walls had been crumbling, the not seen before explosive shells had been flying over the walls destroying everything around and causing the fires. The small cannons installed on the city walls had been helpless and soon enough most of them were silenced.

A very short intermission: If Napoleon’s question “is he lucky?” was asked about Munnich, the answer would be “too much so”. It can be argued both ways if he was or was not a great field commander but the luck always was with him. It could be practically guaranteed that a lousily prepared assault would be in most critical moment helped by a timely explosion of an ammunition magazine or that something else of the kind would happen providing him with a spectacular victory . This is not going to change IITL.

On a second day of a bombardment one of the gate towers crumbled and soon afterwards a bomb hit the Qing gunpowder storage causing numerous casualties and spreading the panic. The Dzungars rushed into the city through the broken gates and soon afterwards the defenders surrendered. After being forced to destroy the walls, all of them had been massacred.

The first episode of the war was over and everybody, except for the dead Qing, was happy. A field victory over the Qing was a good start of the campaign and a seemingly effortless destruction of a powerful fortress was a very impressive demonstration. If a wisdom of getting under the Russian “protection” could be doubted, these doubts now disappeared. The main base for the Qing’s advance into Dzungar territory was destroyed handicapping their future operations and Munnich’s reputation was firmly established.

Now Galdan Tseren could keep mobilizing his forces and wait for the Russian reinforcements: it will take a while before the Qing raise a new invasion army.

In a meantime (as a reciprocation for the good time in Moscow) Munnich (who never pretended to be a monk) also should be shown a very good time. 😂
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[1] 1 золотник = 4.2grams
[2] 1 jin = 604.79 grams
[3] 1 lan = 50 gram; which means that a cannonball of that cannon weighted approximately 800 grams (aka, the caliber is less than 2 pounds). During the reign of Kangxi Emperor the total of 905 cannons had been cast but out of them only 201 weighted more than 250 kg. There were, some pieces of the caliber 17-20 pounds, seemingly placed in China proper. http://www.battle-of-qurman.com.cn/literature/Stary-Verbiest-1994.pdf
[4] Nikita Bichurin “Army of China”, 1840
[5] Tungusic tribes of Inner Mongolia
 
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Really Charles... You only need to do one simple thing that would help your dynasty far more than bribes and four-dimensional schemes. Actually invest some money in the military!
This is what Prince Eugene did recommend him to do so you are in a good company. 😉
 
Well seems that war kicked off, though depending on the peace terms it probably doesn't need to last long.

Qing acknowledgement of Russian sovereignty over Duzgar Khanate and acknowledgement of Russian claim's south of Ainur river (otl Russian far east), plus end of repressive trade measure's against Russia and more favorable terms would be reasonable demands, especially if we consider the cost of war might not be to Yongzheng Emperor's liking and peace that allows him to save face will probably be warmly received.
 
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Well seems that war kicked off, though depending on the peace terms it probably doesn't need to last long.

Qing acknowledgement of Russian sovereignty over Duzgar Khanate and acknowledgement of Russian claim's south of Ainur river (otl Russian far east), plus end of repressive trade measure's against Russia and more favorable terms would be reasonable demands, especially if we consider the cost of war might not be to Yongzheng Emperor's liking and peace that allows him to save face will probably be warmly received.
I think any treaty will also include Dzungar/Russian control over additional Mongolian areas.
 
Well seems that war kicked off, though depending on the peace terms it probably doesn't need to last long.

Judging by the OTL, these wars had been relatively slow affairs. Something like the series of the raids with the long intervals among them. It was somewhat different for the wars of conquest but here the Dzungars are fighting a defensive war (the OTL goal of conquering the Khalka Mongols is gone) and their opponents are restricted by a terrible logistics: for each new expedition they have to “mobilize” the regional resources (in the simple terms, to confiscate the horses, camels and cattle from the same Khalka Mongols who constitute a part of their army). Add to this the huge spaces, sparse population, climate, desert and general low efficiency of the banner armies. To give an idea, expedition of 1696 (over 70,000 in three separate armies) required 1,333 carts loaded with grain.

OTOH, keep in mind the Qing imperial ambitions: they simply can’t give up after a couple of defeats because this would be a loss of face. And their resources are big: size of the banner armies is approximately 260-280,000. Of course, this is on paper and considerable (and probably the best) part of these troops is in Peking area guarding the Emperor but still there is a lot of troops in Manchuria and Mongolia and nobody really cares about their losses, especially those of the Mongols and Tungusians. Then, if push really comes to shove, there are Chinese troops of the Green Banner (over 600,000 out of which over 500,000 are on the garrison duties in China, in the navy, etc.) and at least some of these contingents had been used in the earlier Dzungar War.

So for the Qing Emperor to start considering a peace, his troops have to suffer a convincing series of the defeats but, before being beaten, these troops has to be assembled and to get to the fighting area (Dzungaria - Khalka) because it does not make sense for the opponent to stick his neck by getting too deep into the Qing territory. As a result, to a great degree the schedule is going to be defined by the Qing.

Qing acknowledgement of Russian sovereignty over Duzgar Khanate and acknowledgement of Russian claim's south of Ainur river (otl Russian far east), plus end of repressive trade measure's against Russia and more favorable terms would be reasonable demands, especially if we consider the cost of war might not be to Yongzheng Emperor's liking and peace that allows him to save face will probably be warmly received.
The Amur border may be a somewhat mute issue at that time because the Russian presence on the Pacific coast is minimal, the region is not, yet, being explored and, strictly speaking, without the steamships the Amur as a transport artery is of a questionable value (it seems that Muraviev heavily relied upon a steamer when going upstream). So this is rather a matter of a principle for both sides and a weak point in the Chinese position is that they simply don’t have any noticeable presence to the North of Amur. Well, its lower flow is simply a nobody’s land by the existing treaties and the Russians at least have some vassal tribes directly to the North of that area.

Can be a part of the deal if Qing is threatened by invasion of Tibet, which is important due to the religious considerations.

There are no “repressive trade measures” against Russia except for those related to the caravans going to Peking, which became rather irrelevant in a view of a Kjakhta trade and which are rather hard to fix without burning Peking as a prerequisite (😉) because these are traditional Chinese practices. Taking into an account that IITL the conflict is not developing into “Opium War #0”, this is mot going to happen.
 
I think any treaty will also include Dzungar/Russian control over additional Mongolian areas.
Now, this would be a very serious stumbling block because the Khalka Mongols did not want the Dzungar rule and Qing considered possession of the Outer Mongolia as a base for its claim to “Genghis inheritance”, the important part of the imperial ideology. Getting a bloody nose in Dzungaria would be bad but losing Mongolia would be humiliating even if in the practical terms its economic value was close to zero.

OTOH, such an expansion is not in the Russian interests either because Dzungaria is still a vassal only marginally controlled by Russia and if Khalka is a part of a deal it is going to Dzungars simply because Russia does not have means for controlling it and this will make Dzungar ruler powerful enough to get ideas regarding independence. In the “best case scenario” Russia has to put its forces between the Dzungars and Khalka as already is the case with Dzungars and Kazakhs. And to watch that none of them would switch to the Chinese side. The whole mess simply does not worth the trouble.
 
Little victorious war? (cont 1)
88. Little victorious war? (cont 1)
Haste is needed only for catching fleas
Russian proverb
Artillerymen believe the world consist of two types of people; other Artillerymen and targets.”
Unknown
CANNON, n. An instrument employed in the rectification of national boundaries.”
Ambrose Bierce
A horse must be a bit mad to be a good cavalry mount, and its rider must be completely so.”
Steven Pressfield
A double defeat at Barkul and a loss of the whole army was a serious but not critical blow to the Qing and, with the details being unknown, the Emperor and the court tended to consider it as a fluke: the Dzungars managed to get an upper-hand in a border encounter, happened more than once in the earlier conflicts and after this the victors had been losing a sense of reality and advance deep into Khalka Mongolia with their tiny army exposing themselves to the superior Qing numbers with a resulting annihilation of their army, as did happen with Galdan Boshugtu Khan in 1696. Kangxi Emperor demonstrated how this can be done: just have two armies, approximately 30 - 40,000 each, with couple hundreds pieces of a camel artillery.
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One army would advance to the Kherlen River and another would march to the North of the Ordos Desert (South from the 1st army) to cut off the retreat route. The Dzungars by that time are going to be overburdened with a cattle looted in Khalka and slow on their move. If necessary, the Qing can pretend that they are ready to have talks and delay the Dzungar retreat. This did work before and why wouldn't it work now? After all, the Dzungars are barbarians (and so are their Russian allies) and are too dumb to learn on their mistakes.
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So the only things needed were to mobilize the armies and have them ready on a border of Outer Mongolia to set the trap. Of course, the Khalka Mongols will suffer in a process but what would it matter for the grand strategy? Perhaps they’ll even manage to kill some Dzungars in a process.

The Emperor, unlike his predecessor, was not going to participate in the campaign so the Northern Army would be led by Yue Zhongqi who already conquered Tibet during the previous war with the Dzungars and now served as Minister of War and Viceroy of Chuan-Shaan (with jurisdiction over Shaanxi and Gansu provinces as well as western Inner Mongolia). His deputy was general Bandi, a Borjigit from Mongol Plain Yellow Banner.
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Commander of the Southern Army was going to be general Bo Huang, a member of the Chinese Bordered White Banner and governor of Jiangxi [1]. The deputy was Hailancha, a Solon from Manchu Bordered Yellow Banner.

The troops were mobilized, the huge supply trains assembled, the commanders appointed. Now “you have to sit and wait until corps of your enemy will flow down the river.” … Now, there was a problem: a potential corps was stubbornly refusing to go anywhere close to the proverbial river: Galdan Tseren was seemingly quite happy staying within his territory and refusing to ride to his extermination, which was extremely naughty of him.
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Actually, immediately after the victory at Barkal Galdan Tseren was itching for an offensive action to subdue the Khalka Mongols and it took Munnich all his charm and newly-acquired prestige to convince him not to do so. Besides the fact that at this stage such an offensive was going to be a fool-hardy adventure (as was demonstrated by Galdan Boshugtu Khan) and another obvious fact that the Russian troops would not be able to move with the same speed as Dzungar cavalry thus eliminating a speed advantage or allowing the Qing to deal with the invaders piecemeal, there was one more consideration, which was not spelled out: Emperor Alexey did not want to have an excessively powerful vassal (which Galdan Tseren is going to be after conquest of Khalka) who may at any point to decide that he does not need Russian protection. The looting raid would be fine but only as a pursuit of the defeated Qing to whom the area will be returned. Peace with the Qing had to be made and the Dzungars will be needed for the conquest of the CA khanates.

Eventually, Galdan Tseren agreed to the arguments: now it was obvious that if the Russians withdraw their support, the Qing will make a complete destruction of the Dzungar a matter of principle and it was definitely better to be a live Khan of a prospering vassal state than a dead ruler of the exterminated people. [2]

As a result, both sides had been sitting tight waiting for the opponent to stick his neck.

There was a steady growth of the Russian troops along the Shilka River on Chita - Nerchinsk line and Munnich got a number of the Russian troops in Dzungaria up to desirable 40,000 following his favorite principle of being rather safe than sorry. The supply depots had been created and a massive number of camels mobilized to be used to carry supplies if and when the war will enter into pursuit stage and construction of the new fortified border line started. There was absolutely no reason for any rush action.

So far, Munnich’s reports to Moscow got a warm reception and a story about destruction of Barkul, grossly exaggerated as it was in the terms of numbers and strength of the Qing fortifications, earned him an Order of St. Alexander. The trouble in the PLC was seemingly averted by flexibility of the future August III who endorsed the Pragmatic Sanction in exchange for the Hapsburg collaboration, the Ottomans and Persian had been busily fighting each other with no end in sight, so there were plenty of resources to be channeled to the East, if necessary.

Rather untypicaly, the Qing lost the patience first: maintenance of the field armies had been hitting the treasury hard and could not last forever.

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[1] The person really existed and was still around (1660-1737) but was seemingly mostly administrator. Simply taken from “Eminent Chinese of Qing period”. The same goes for both deputy commanders (with the reasonable allowances for the dates). 😜
[2] In OTL the Qing exterminated 80-90% of the Dzungar population.


 
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Little victorious war? (cont 2)
89. Little victorious war? (cont 2)

Everything in war is very simple. But the simplest thing is difficult.”
Clausewitz

An action committed in anger is an action doomed to failure”
Genghis Khan​


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1731. Battle at Khoton Lake. Yongzheng Emperor was extremely irritated when he received reports saying that the Dzungars are stubbornly refusing to cooperate with the strategic plan designed under his personal guidance [1]. After all, there should be some rules of war [2], which even the barbarians have to follow. Actually, especially the barbarians because it was their tradition to launch the raids after winning a victory in a battle. Emperor’s irritation had been fully shared by his military advisors most of whom had been the highly-educated people, admittedly with a very little to none fighting experience, but with a very good knowledge of history, philosophy and poetry. Some of them even started their careers serving in the banner units of Peking garrison and, surely, knew everything one needs to know about the military issues.

Well, one had to face the facts and if the Dzungars were not coming to the Qing then the Qing will come to the Dzungars. The orders had been issued to the commanders of the Northern and Southern armies to prepare for the long march and start marching to the West ASAP. Each army has to be provided with 1,000 carts loaded with grain and confiscate all necessary horses, camels and whatever else is necessary from the region in which it was positioned. After this, the Northern army will march Westward to the North of the Gobi desert and the Southern army will do the same marching in a corridor between Gobi and Ordos deserts. The Northern Army, already 40,000 strong with 100 camel guns, will mobilize additional banner troops of the Khalka Mongols and Solons and act as the main striking force. The Southern Army of 35,000 with 100 camel guns should be strong enough as a secondary force hitting the Dzungars in a rear. Each army had to march approximately 500-600 km to the Dzungar border.

Whatever doubts Yue Zhongqi and Bo Huang may had about the new plan, they wisely preferred to keep them to themselves and did not share them even with their second in command: a report regarding such doubts could find its way to the imperial court with the very unpleasant consequences. So the armies had been steadily marching along the prescribed routes carrying with them the huge supply trains and confiscating the cattle, horses and camels from the locals: the precious grain supplies may be needed for campaign inside Dzungaria.

By mid-summer the Northern Army reached the Khoton Lake [3] close to the Dzungar border. Yue Zhongqi was planning to stay there for few days to let his long column to assemble and to give the troops and horses a few days rest before the invasion.
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The camp was set on the Western shore of the lake in a valley protected by the lake on the North-East and the hills on the South-West with enough of the grazing space to the East of the camp. The camp itself was protecting a road in a narrowest place of the valley and a strong detachment of Solon light cavalry had been placed 10 kilometers ahead of the camp at the Western entrance into the valley to guard against unexpected Dzungar attack. Slopes of the hills stretching along the South-Western border of the valley, while not being too high, had the slopes steep and uneven enough to prevent a massive attack of a heavy cavalry. A rearguard detachment had been placed between the Khoton and Khurgan lakes to prevent a possible attack from the North.

In addition to the natural security, the camp was surrounded by a combination of a wagenburg and chevaux de frise, which was routinely carried by the Qing troops as a protection of their infantry against the cavalry charges. The camel cannons had been taken off the camels and placed on the ground at the Western side of a camp [4]. “Emergency reserve” of the horses had been held in a camp to guarantee a fast reaction in the case of Dzungar attack through the valley. Everything had been taken care of.
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At 5 in the morning of the next day Russian artillery general Eropkin, who was watching the Qing camp from the hills South of the camp, commented to Munnich who stood nearby: “Give my guys one more hour to bring all guns into a position and in one more hour I’ll have their defenses smashed and camp on fire”. During the night 96 unicorns had been pulled up the hills and installed just behind the top of the hilly ridge [5]. The infantry brigades had been amassing further down the slopes and the Cossacks further to the East behind the hills facing the grazing area.

As promised, at 6AM a massive bombardment of the Qing camp started causing a terrible havoc because the enemy’s guns were nowhere in sight and the explosive grenade notwithstanding their low efficiency, had a much higher physical and moral effect than the solid shot would have.

Slopes of the hills were, indeed, ill-suited for the massive charge of a heavy cavalry in the dense formations but they were just fine for the Cossacks riding in their “lava” style in anticipation of one of their favorite occupations, stealing the horses. Few hundred Manchu and Mongols guarding the pasture had been smashed by a grossly numerically superior opponent who immediately got himself busy with herding some of the horses away from the camp while forcing most of the rest to go into the camp in panic. Thousands of the scared horses galloping into already chaotic camp with a mess aggravated by the numerous explodes and the carts and tents being on fire.
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Munnich was quite satisfied with the results and ordered his infantry to advance. Of course, it was impossible to preserve the ideal formations going down the steep hills but the battalion columns did not require perfection so the infantry was arriving into the valley ready for an immediate attack. Of course, even without the horses the Qing soldiers had their hand weapons but continued barrage of a far end of their camp was preventing them from organizing the proper formations.

Fighting in the camp was still going on when a rider galloped from the advance post to report that the Dzungar cavalry is arriving at the Westward entry into the valley. The Solons guarding the entry, being a light cavalry, were not supposed to provide more than a delaying action and under the normal circumstances there should be enough time to put enough troops in a position at the Western side of a camp and artillery placed there would be an additional factor strengthening the defense until the rest of of the Northern Army joins the fight. However, now camp of the Northern army already was under artillery barrage and attack by more than 30,000 of the enemy’s infantry and few thousands Cossacks with the thousands of the scared to death horses and camels smashing their way through the already chaotic camp. Most of the dismounted camel horses never fired and a salvo from the rest did close to nothing to prevent the heavy Dzungar cavalry from riding directly into the camp. Yue Zhongqi managed to assemble few thousands cavalrymen and make their escape through the space between the Khoton and Khurgan lakes. They were intended to ride along the same route they arrived keeping North of the Gobi Desert and passing through the areas where some food could be obtained. But at Urga they were intercepted by the Russian troops, which advanced from Kyakhta. In the following encounter the Qing troops had been forced to make a wide detour South through the Gobi Desert losing most horses and people.

Most of the Northern Army had been pinned with their backs to the lake and surrendered. Contrary to the tradition of killing the prisoners, they had been spared: Galdan Tseren had been told by Munnich that “Russia needs people to work in the mines”. Survivors of the battle had been marched all the way to the Russian Siberia with a very little chance to ever return home.

Bandi was captured. After being interrogated and disclosing everything he knew about Qing’s military plans, he was sent to Moscow together with the captured Qing standards and what could pass for the valuable tokens of the glorious victory. Needless to say that in a report the Qing numbers grew all the way to 100,000. (😜) Galan Tseren got most of the captured Qing armor and weaponry and the horses, camels and grain had been divided to a mutual satisfaction. Of course, the lesser personages helped themselves with various smaller items.

Now, it was time to march South and meet the Southern army carelessly marching to its annihilation [6].



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[1] To avoid the terminological confusion, China did have the Ministry of War as one of Six Ministries under the Department of State Affairs in imperial China. However, functions of this institution seemingly did not involve the military operations or planning. “The Ministry of War had control over appointments, promotions, and demotions of military officers; the maintenance of military installations, equipment, and weapons; and administration over the imperial Chinese post or courier network.”
[2] Louis XIV suffered from the same illusion.
[3] “freshwater lake in Altai Tavan Bogd National Park in Bayan-Ölgii Province, western Mongolia.” On a map above it is at the upper left corner.
[4] Judging by the painting above and some other paintings, these camel cannons were routinely unloaded a used to fire without any carriages. No comments about efficiency of their fire. It is not quite clear to me if they were used as a “classic” zamburak for firing from camel’s back (painting does not show any swivel-like construction) or if the camels were just a mean of a transportation (but zamburaks are being mentioned in the Qing wars of that period) but they were seemingly of a small caliber. There were also bigger guns (see painting below) but if they had been carried only by two horses, they also had to be really light or not intended for being transported too far. Anyway, IITL the invading Qing armies have only the camel guns to improve mobility.
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[5] Unlike a conventional cannon, the unicorn, which was an improved field howitzer, could fire at a high angle.
[6] Less than 35,000, exhausted by a ling march, with a hundred of light cannons vs. 60-70,000 thousands with over 200 heavy guns and grossly superior tactics…. Of course, the miracles happen from time to time but….
 
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[5] Unlike a conventional cannon, the unicorn, which was an improved field howitzer, could fire at a high angle.
By the way, why the unicorn howitzer is called the unicorn ITTL? IOTL it was because of sponsor coat of arms, but given how said sponsor is but 20 years old at this point ITTL, and said CoA was only granted to the family in 1740ies.
 
Also, it seems China gets vaccinated against Opium War style of conflict in the future - getting into fight with artillery-relying European power AND losing this fight in 18 century would result in very different 19th century China compared to that of OTL.
 
By the way, why the unicorn howitzer is called the unicorn ITTL? IOTL it was because of sponsor coat of arms, but given how said sponsor is but 20 years old at this point ITTL, and said CoA was only granted to the family in 1740ies.
Because there is no reason to multiply the alt-realities by changing terminology without a serious reason. 😂 There is nothing unique in unicorn as a heraldic symbol and it could be on anybody’s coat of arms, not just Shuvalov’s. Or it could be just somebody’s whim based upon some kind of fancy association. Does not matter.
 
Also, it seems China gets vaccinated against Opium War style of conflict in the future - getting into fight with artillery-relying European power AND losing this fight in 18 century would result in very different 19th century China compared to that of OTL.
This may or may not be the case and, without an absolutely catastrophic defeat of the 1st Opium War, the Qing could be able to shrug it off as a fluke which took place in a peripheral region and did not seriously impacted the empire (which it would not). Shock to the system simply is not going to be strong enough to change it fundamentally and, anyway, it is not as between the 1st and 2nd Opium wars they managed to bring themselves up to the European level or if this happened between the 2nd OW and war with Japan.

They could start making more heavier cannons but by the mid-XIX these cannons would be obsolete, anyway, just as their XVII century guns were obsolete in the XVIII century. And the same goes for pretty much everything else.
 
Especially given the fact that consequences of this war won't be as great, Russia aims to take Dzungars under it's boot and at worst disputed lands south of Ainur river. None of the territories that Qing officially control .

Also i agree that Qing pretty much failed to modernize even after more serious defeats, so peripheral war probably won't induce a lot of changes.

Edit: Also it's 1731 which means that Urlike of Sweden is 18, which means that it's time to marry Federick of Prussia.
 
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Especially given the fact that consequences of this war won't be as great, Russia aims to take Dzungars under it's boot and at worst disputed lands south of Ainur river. None of the territories that Qing officially control .
There are two different but not completely unrelated issues:
1. With the Dzungars there was a conflict between the competing Dzungar and Qing claim regarding the right to control the “Mongolian” states. In a narrow context this was about control of the Khalka Mongols and in a broader about the Qing claim of sovereignty over all “Mongolian” territories including the Dzungars.
2. To a certain degree this was relevant to the territories North of the Amur populated by the “Mongolian” tribes (as Genghis heritage) but the problem for the Qing was almost complete absence of their footprint in the region.

Also i agree that Qing pretty much failed to modernize even after more serious defeats, so peripheral war probably won't induce a lot of changes.

Edit: Also it's 1731 which means that Urlike of Sweden is 18, which means that it's time to marry Federick of Prussia.
On the last item, it is fine by me if you’ll write a chapter on their wedding. 😜
 
Little victorious war? (cont. 3)
90. Little victorious war? (cont. 3)
A battery of field artillery is worth a thousand muskets”
Sherman
If you don’t have enough artillery, quit.”
General Richard Cavasos​

Intermission. On the map below a piece of the Dzungar territory in the bottom right corner with “Hami” in its center was, since 1696, the Kumul Khanate. a semi-autonomous feudal Turkic khanate (equivalent to a banner in Mongolia) within the Qing dynasty. The Khans of Kumul were direct descendants of the Khans of the Chagatai Khanate, and thus the last descendant of the Mongol Empire. The Khanate had fought against the Dzungars for the Qing. The title "Jasak Tarkhan" was granted to its rulers later to be upgraded to Qinwang (Prince of the First Rank Chinese: 親王; pinyin: qīn wáng), by the Qing Empire. The Khans were allowed enormous power by the Qing court, with the exception of administering execution, which had to be allowed by a Chinese official posted in Kumul (Hami). The Khans were officially vassals to the Emperor of China, and every six years were required to visit Beijing to be a servant to the Emperor during a period of 40 days. It was also known as the principality of Kumul, and the Chinese called it Hami. The Khans were loyal to Chinese rule and authorities. At the time in question the khanate had been ruled by Emin who in the fifth year of Yongzheng's reign was promoted to Zhenguo Gong (鎮國公) (Duke Who Guards the State) and in the 7th year to Gushan Beizi (固山貝子) (Banner Prince).
Hami officially accepted and converted to Islam in 1513.
Center of the khanate was located in a fertile oasis “favourable for the five types of grain [rice, two kinds of millet, wheat and beans], mulberry trees, hemp, and grapes” and famous for its sweet melons. This, in combination with its position toward Dzungar territories, made the khanate a very important strategic base for the Qing operations.



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The Southern Army had been marching toward khanate’s capital Hami along what looks like a yellow corridor on the map above, which allowed a reasonably good supply along the route. At Hami it was expected to get the news about progress of the Northern Army, according to the general strategic plan, to march on Urumqi around which both armies had to met. Presumably, the main Dzungar force will be either destroyed by the Northern Army near the border or will be retreating, in which case it was going to be squeezed between two Qing armies. If it would be running too fast, the North and South armies will be pursuing it further into the Dzungar territory.

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Prince Emin should be assigned the task of restoring the Barkol fortress for which task he has to use as many of his subjects as task required. Few Qing who travelled with the Northern Army explicitly for this purpose will be left in Hami to oversee the works . As a just punishment for what happened at Barkol, all Dzungars met on the march has to be exterminated. The orders had been quite clear and general Bo Huang was intended to implement them to the best of his quite considerable abilities.

Unfortunately, at Hami nobody had an idea about the whereabouts of the Northern Army. The last courier brought news that it was marching toward the Khoton Lake but after that there was nothing. This could mean many things but the most probable one was that Yue Zhongqi and Bo Huang managed to destroy the Dzungar army and now are in a hot pursuit killing and looting on their way and having no intention to share the glory (and loot) with the Southern Army [1]. Of course, there was also a remote possibility of them suffering some kind of an offset, which they also could blame upon the tardiness of the Southern Army which left them alone against the overwhelming odds [2].

After discussing situation with his second-in-command [3] Bo Huang sent a report to Peking (co-signed by Hailancha) informing the Emperor about the situation and assuring that, no matter what, the Southern Army is going to perform its duty. After which the Southern Army strengthened by few thousands Kumul troops started march toward Turpan [4].
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It was less than 200 km away but this proved to be quite irrelevant because somewhere in between the Southern Army had been attacked by a much bigger Russian-Dzungar force. This was not an unexpected attack as in the case with the Northern Army, the enemy was duly noticed by the scouts and Bo Huang had a time to take a reasonably good defensive position, which would work reasonably well against the Dzungars. But not against the enemy possessing over 200 hundred artillery pieces much heavier than what Bo Huang had in his disposal. A traditional first part of a battle, the shooting match between the opposing infantry lines, started badly for the Qing because the wicker shields proved to be an inadequate defense against the 12- and 20-pound cannonballs and kept getting worse. A desperate counter-attack with the pikes and swords had been met with a grapeshot and musket fire and failed before reaching the enemy’s position. Cavalry of the second line tried to save situation by attacking the slowly advancing enemy columns but was repelled and, in turn, attacked by the Dzungar and Russian cavalry. Suffering heavy losses Bo Huang ordered retreat which soon enough turned into a rout. Leaving a part of the survived infantry in Hami to strengthen defense of the city, he kept retreating with the rest of his army to Anxi.
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However, pursuit by the enemy forced him to retreat even further, all the way to Xining. Out of the initial 35,000 less than 15,000 had been left. All artillery and most if the supply train had been lost. The only consolation was that, as Bo Huang now had the chance to find out, that comparing to the Northern Army he did reasonably well.

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Defense of Hami lasted for a week after which the city capitulated. Prince Emin was captured and sent to Moscow and the Khanate was declared a part of Dzungaria. The Chinese engineers sent to Barkol had been captured. Galdan Tseren wanted to do to them something really creative to make it clear that if he destroyed the fortress, it should remained destroyed. However, Munnich persuaded him to leave them alive: he wanted to get as much information about the Chinese fortifications as possible. Besides, being an engineer himself, he was quite curious about state of this art in China.

Now, with the second Chinese offensive repelled, there was a time for a little excursion into their territory.

Other events of notice: Ulrike of Sweden is 18 [5] so, by a popular demand, she married Federick of Prussia.

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[1] Judging by what little I managed to learn on the subject, a backstabbing was one of the main occupations of the Qing officials of all ranks. Of course, them being the highly cultured Chinese, the main instrument was writing the detailed reports regarding somebody else’s misdeed to which an accused person was supposed to write a rebuttal, etc. It would be well within the framework of the system for the victorious Northern commanders to accuse the Southern leadership in procrastination, which forced them to fulfill the will of Son of the Heaven alone, blahblahblah.
[2] See [1] with a little bit different tune. 😜
[3] Of course, Hailancha was a Solon and as such almost a barbarian but he spent most of his career at Qing court and was civilized enough both to understand a potential danger coming from the Northern Army and to blame everything on his commender if things go bad and he is left out of the loop and can claim ignorance. See [1]
[4] Famous for its raisins. Not that it has anything to do with the subject. 😉
[5] Disclaimer. I have absolutely nothing to do with her birth: it was @Kriss who had been around at the critical moment. Ditto for her marriage: he did all arrangements. One may only guess about the reason for such an interest in her fate. 😂😂😂
 
Little victorious war? (cont. 4)
91. Little victorious war? (cont. 4)

“Let all your wishes come true”
Chinese curse
“-He’s learned an important lesson.
- It won’t do him much good now where he’s gone.”

Pratchett Interesting times
“The art of war is a science in which nothing is possible but what has been calculated and thought out.”
Napoleon

Intermission. The Khalkha Mongols in Outer Mongolia joined the Qing in 1691 when their defeat by the Dzungars left them without a chance to remain independent. Not that they got such a chance under the Qing. After defeating the Dzungar Khan Galdan Kangxi Emperor organized a congress of the rulers of Khalkha and Inner Mongolia in Duolun, at which the Khalkha khans formally declared allegiance to him. The war against Galdan essentially brought the Khalkhas to the empire, and the three khans of the Khalkha were formally inducted into the inner circles of the Qing aristocracy by 1694. Thus, by the end of the 17th century the Qing dynasty had put both Inner and Outer Mongolia under its control. The Khalka Mongols were forbidden by the Qing from crossing the borders of their banners, even into other Mongol Banners and from crossing into neidi (the Han Chinese 18 provinces) and were given serious punishments if they did in order to keep the Mongols divided against each other to benefit the Qing. Mongol pilgrims wanting to leave their banner's borders for religious reasons such as pilgrimage had to apply for passports to give them permission. For the administration of Mongol regions, a bureau of Mongol affairs was founded and the entire territory was technically under the jurisdiction of the military governor of Uliastai, a post only held by Qing bannermen: governor in Urga

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had general supervision over the eastern part of the region while the western part was under the supervision of the governor at Uliastai.
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The Qing government administered both Inner and Outer Mongolia in accordance with the Collected Statutes of the Qing dynasty (Da Qing Hui Dian) and their precedents. Only in internal disputes the Outer Mongols or the Khalkhas were permitted to settle their differences in accordance with the traditional Khalkha Code. To the Manchus, the Mongol link was martial and military. Originally as "privileged subjects", the Mongols were obligated to assist the Qing court in conquest and suppression of rebellion throughout the empire. Indeed, during much of the dynasty the Qing military power structure drew heavily on Mongol forces to police and expand the empire.

The Mongolian society consisted essentially of two classes, the nobles and the commoners. Every member of the Mongolian nobility held a rank in the Qing aristocracy, and there were ten ranks in total, while only the banner princes ruled with temporal power.

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In acknowledgement of their subordination to the Qing dynasty, the banner princes annually presented tributes consisting of specified items to the Emperor. In return, they would receive imperial gifts intended to be at least equal in value to the tribute, and thus the Qing court did not consider the presentation of tribute to be an economic burden to the tributaries. The Mongolian commoners, on the other hand, were for the most part banner subjects who owed tax and service obligations to their banner princes as well as the Qing government. The banner subjects each belonged to a given banner, which they could not legally leave without the permission of the banner princes, who assigned pasturage rights to his subjects as he saw fit, in proportion to the number of adult males rather than in proportion to the amount of livestock that to graze.
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Militarily, they remained predominantly the horse archers with no artillery and very few firearms.
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The battle of what exactly? Now, practically all of the above was rather secondary when Munnich and Galdan Tseren had been choosing a target for their next campaign because taking Khalka Mongolia from the Qing was not in the plans. Two main factors were:
1. As a war theater the region was well-known o the Dzungars (and promised a good looting).
2. The region’s name. As far a Munnich was concerned a victorious campaign in Khalka could be presented in Russia as a historic revenge for the Battle at Kalka [1]. 😉 Well, of course it also had an advantage of being reasonably close to the Russian border so that the reinforcements could be brought, if necessary, with a relative ease. Soon after defeat of the Northern Army the Russian detachment left Urga and returned to Kjakhta but it could be called back into the theater.

Taking into an account that the main anticipated opponent was going to be a cavalry, speed was of a primary importance. All Russian infantry assigned for the campaign had been provided with the horses and artillery was provided with the spare teams. Of course, opponent’s light cavalry would be able to outrun them but the herds could not move with the speed of a light cavalry and neither could the nomadic camps so sooner rather than later the Khalka would have to stand and fight. And there was numerous Dzungar cavalry, the Cossacks and Russian regular cavalry to pin them down. Most probably the Qing will manage to bring some banner troops from Inner Mongolia but after the loss of three armies within few months they hardly had too many bannermen in the region.

So a strong force had been left at Hami as a protection against very unlikely attack from the South and most of the rest started their ride in Urga direction. Initially, the campaign was more or less something of a leisure walk because the western Khalka princes had been fleeing East with their bands and as much cattle as they could take with them without a risk of being intercepted. Most of the commoners were rather passive as soon as they figured out that the invaders are not planning a wholesale killing or even excessive looting. The first serious encounter happened when the Russian-Dzungar army reached the Orkhon River. On its other bank was Khalka army and few thousands of the Manchu banner troops with 20 “heavy” artillery pieces and 30 camel guns. Total up to 40,000 troops. Behind their backs was Erdene Zuu, a highly respected Buddhist monastery.

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The monastery was damaged in 1688 during one of the many wars between Dzungars and Khalkha Mongols. Locals dismantled the wooden fortifications of the abandoned monastery. It was rebuilt in 1706 and had a full 62 temples and housed up to 1000 monks. On a hill outside the monastery sits a stone phallus called Kharkhorin Rock. [3]
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The phallus is said to restrain the sexual impulses of the monks and ensure their good behavior. There is also a stone tortoise, a leftover of Karakorum (monastery is located close to the site of the old Mongolian imperial capital).
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Combination of the river at their front and a holy place at their back presumably had to provide the defenders with a miraculous victory [4] but it did not happen. The powerful Russian batteries secured the cavalry crossings on the flanks. The infantry columns followed and the battle was over. Except for the couple thousands Manchu bannermen who were surrounded and surrendered, the losses on both sides had been relatively small. However, the battle itself and an energetic pursuit broke the Khalka spirit. They simply did not want to fight anymore. Neither did the Manchu bannermen. Munnich occupied Urga and the Dzungars stretched all the way to the Kerulen River.

One of the captured Manchu commanders had been sent to Beijing with a proposal to start talks. Yongzheng Emperor was facing a dilemma: to continue the very expensive and so far disastrous hostilities or to try to save face, start talks and minimize the losses.



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[1] where in 1223 Jebe and Subutai defeated the Russians.
[2] Overwhelming majority of the soldiers had been former peasants so they had at least some riding skills.
[3] Could not find anything about its effectiveness but they erected (no pun intended) a more modern version in addition to the old one.
[4] At least in all fantasy movies and books being outnumbered, outgunned and outgeneralled is a sure recipe for a smashing victory.
 
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... it is not as between the 1st and 2nd Opium wars they managed to bring themselves up to the European level or if this happened between the 2nd OW and war with Japan.

True. But throughout that period, the Emperors were incapable puppets of a corrupt court, and the rot spread downward.

Yongzheng is very different.
 
So basically the Russian and their allies could own the territory north of the Great Wall, should they choose so? I mean its not like the Chinese have any power projection above it. Though to be fair, neither do the Russians, its a vast area with relatively low value until the coal and iron deposits become very useful. But its great land and the Chinese dropped to Southern Manchuria around this time, so with a better off Russia with more sensible rulers that look east you might go to the Liao (which to me is much more realistic to hold than the Wall.
 
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True. But throughout that period, the Emperors were incapable puppets of a corrupt court, and the rot spread downward.

Yongzheng is very different.
Yes, he and his successor(s) are different but the state bureaucracy is a huge mechanism which was very difficult to force to change a direction in which it was moving. Plus, don’t forget that the banner armies system was social at least as much as it was military: it was a tool for keeping the Mongolian subjects of the empire subdued and yet useful.
 
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