No GNW (or “Peter goes South”)

Regarding whole process of colonization we shouldn't forget Austria which could possibly seek a way to reclaim their lost prestige there.

Then there are also Sweden/Denmark/Norway either as two separate entities, or in an union seeking their own slice of the pie, plus Russian interests in Africa .

Otherwise regarding Southern Germany joining German empire, Bismarck owes All and Russia a big one because if All sided with France its quite probable that South would remained independent and while Prussia was quite cooperative ITTL it's important to note that Russia gave it blank checks for Northern Germany in return.

But all in all German Empire being more decentralized is quite realistic given survival of HRE and no Napoleonic wars, Franco Prussian war, or Prussia dominating the battlefield as otl with North making Empire proper and South being extension. I don't see things changing as much under Bismarck (if anything this fits the vision of his empire) and it will take time for common German identity to form , even then North and South might not see eye to eye.
 
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Regarding whole process of colonization we shouldn't forget Austria which could possibly seek a way to reclaim their lost prestige there
Now I fully support an Austrian Congo
Not because that is anywhere realistic nor a good thing but because giving Central Africa to the Habsburgs is hilariously evil but not Belgium evil
 
Regarding whole process of colonization we shouldn't forget Austria which could possibly seek a way to reclaim their lost prestige there.
A scenario where Austria gets more colonies than Italy? Sounds kinda epic. Makes me think they could get Libya instead of Italy/Sardinia-Piedmont since they do have Venice.

But all in all German Empire being more decentralized is quite realistic given survival of HRE and no Napoleonic wars, Franco Prussian war, or Prussia dominating the battlefield as otl with North making Empire proper and South being extension. I don't see things changing as much under Bismarck (if anything this fits the vision of his empire) and it will take time for common German identity to form , even then North and South might not see eye to eye.
Will Bismarck undergo the Kulturkampf just like OTL? It could happen but I doubt it since he has far less control in dictating the affairs of the Southern German kingdoms like Bavaria.
 
Well heres the map of the world after late events:

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Cheers. I still think it would look much nicer if Russia had everything right from the Dniester / Vistula & from Jinzhou to Xilingol League (because adding Inner Mongolia too is even too greedy for me) to the whole of OTL Mongolia. 😉
 
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275. You always need to be … (#2)

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“There are things more important than money, but you can't buy these things without money.”

1872. The Big Bluff

China

By 1872 China, at least for a while, was free of the rebellions: the last one, of the Chinese Muslims on the western borders, was finally crushed by the general Zuo Zongtang after few years of fighting campaign involving a very difficult logistics (and a wholesale slaughter of the rebellious population).
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Now, Zuo Zongtang enfeoffed as a first class count, had been in charge of the Chinese military forces of the North. In his disposal was an army of unknown size 15-20,000 of which had been troops armed with the modern European weapons (mostly bought in Britain) and reasonably well trained. The rest was an unknown number of the troops belonging to the old-style “banners” armed with pretty much everything from the occasional modern rifles and all the way back to the matchlocks and bows. Speculatively, the total size of his army was anywhere in the range of 40 - 100,000.
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Military forces of the Central China were under command of another first class count [1] , general Li Hongzang. He had even bigger (reasonably) modern army, controlled the Northern fleet, arsenals in the Central China and, understandably, was quite influential in the army.
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Both these generals and his “clans” were Chinese, which was an important factor in the following events.

The government itself was in the hands of the Empress Dowager Cixi (after co-Empress Dowager Ci'an conveniently died).
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The Empress and most of her government were Manchu. She supported technological and military reforms and the Self-Strengthening Movement which emphasized the adoption of Western firearms, machines, scientific knowledge and training of technical and diplomatic personnel through the establishment of a diplomatic office and a college. All this should be achieved without changing the system. The dockyards and arsenals had been founded. Few Chinese western-style small ships (corvette being the biggest one) had been built at the Fuzhou Arsenal and an effort had been made to start the local production of the modern rifles.
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All these military industries were heavily subsidized by the government while being completely under control of the regional strongmen without any mutual coordination. While formally all they were subordinated to the imperial government, they were pretty much independent in everything including appointment of the officers which then had been just rubber-stumped by Beijing. As for the foreign advisors, as was commented by the US Ambassador in China in 1872, “… the foreigners employed in instructing troops in the art of war are subject to provincial authority and control. They are little better in point of rank and position than 'drill-sergeants,' a position which, if not degrading, cannot be considered honorable… After he [Charles Gordon] returned to England, the subsequent Chinese-hired British trainers sent by the British consulate were incompetent and neglected their duties.”

Then, an idea of “how to turn a losing enterprise into profitable without making any changes” rarely, if ever, worked anywhere and it did not work in this case as well. The ships were at least twice as costly as comparable vessels available for purchase in Britain, rifles were not only more costly than, but also far inferior to, the imported arms.

Of course, due to the fact that the fools do not learn on other’s mistakes and general Chinese’s ignorance of a history, except of their own, a blind introduction of the foreign methods required the grown numbers of the foreigners and those in charge had been too incompetent to make sound judgements regarding qualifications of those they had been hiring and the quality and true cost of the materials and equipment they were buying [2]. The results were predictable they were spending much more money than they had to both in producing and purchasing and, when they were producing, they were producing low quality stuff.

In 1870, a number of foreigners were killed during riots in Tianjin. This incident soured China's relatively stable relations with the Western powers and while all types of the westernization actions continued under control of Li Hongzhang the “patriotic” anti-western sentiments had been strengthening among the educated society and upper classes . By 1872 there were quite loud talks about “revenge” and returning the lands lost in the previous decades.

Russian refusal to deliver the rebels fleeing to the Russian territory triggered a huge wave of a patriotic enthusiasm among the educated classes. Both the government and the military leaders found themselves somewhat the hostages of the situation and while Li Hongzhang considered it mostly within the lines of getting more funds for the central region he was controlling, Zuo Zongtang, who was controlling the Northern China, found himself in a position that required him to be more bellicose, which he did making some rather fancy statements regarding his ability to crush the Northern neighbor and capture Moscow. He even ordered himself a very expensive coffin to underscore his willingness to die fighting [3].

To prepare for a possible war Qing government bought in Europe 52,000 rifles (including 20,000 modern) and 150 guns.

Russia.
Russian government had to think about a possible war with China for the first time. The generals of the Russian Empire had no doubt that, all other things being equal, their regular troops were stronger than the Chinese ones. But the total length of the land border of the two continental empires reached a record seven thousand versts, and throughout their duration the logistics of any operation against China frankly frightened with its complexity. Especially taking into an account the Chinese stubbornness and numbers.

On a positive side, the western part of the border had been reliably secured by a combination of the geography (more than 300 versts of the mountains and deserts before getting anywhere) and the Dzungarian Cossack host of 40-50,000 immediately available high quality troops (who seriously disliked the Chinese) strengthened by the Russian garrisons and a relatively easy access by the troops from Turkestan by the Central Asia railroad.

However, the Eastern part of the border was much more problematic even if by that time, the Russians already had a dozen iron steamers on the Amur, while the Qing Empire had only medieval rowing boats on the rivers of Manchuria. By the assessment of the General Staff to provide a necessary pressure upon China Russia would need to have in that area at least 2 - 3 corps with the corresponding supporting means and a prevailing point of view was that, if the war starts, its completion can be guaranteed only by the capture of Beijing.

While AIII did not have any intention to march his troops on Peking, the fact remained that all very long border of the Eastern Siberia had been protected only by 6 cavalry regiments and 12 infantry battalions with a minimal artillery. Which was fine against what Manchu government routinely had on its side of a border: 10 - 15,000 of the Mongolian cavalry with the bows and matchlocks (and a questionable loyalty to the Qing regime) and few thousands troops from the Green Banner which were not, yet, modernized. So far, ability of the Qing government to transfer the troops from Central China or the Western borders through the steppes and deserts of Mongolia was not considered as a high probability but it would become a reality if the Qing decides to go to a war.
The Ministry of War had been planning transporting to the Pacific coast 25,000 troops with 100 guns with the intention to land them on the coast of the Yellow Sea for the future march on Peking.

But there was discouraging reality:
  • Population of Vladivostok amounted only to 9,000 out of which 4,000 were Chinese and Koreans.
  • Garrison of Vladivostok consisted of two battalions (1,500).
  • Border 2,000 versts long had been covered by 11,000 troops with 32 guns. Out of these numbers only have of the troops had been regular and the rest were recently created units of the Amur and Ussury Cossacks and almost 3,000 non-combat troops performing various construction projects.
  • To strengthen its naval presence on the Pacific (usually 3 - 5 cruisers) Russia had to send there a much more powerful squadron. This squadron included 2 newest armored cruisers, 3 cruisers, 8 clippers and the steamers carrying troops and the newest 6- and 9-inch guns.
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  • Vladivostok was only in process of being fortified and lacked necessary supplies but commander of the squadron relied upon the friendly relations with Japan (which was on the first stages of the ongoing dispute with China regarding possession of some islands).
  • Then, there was a detestable but unavoidable question of the finances. Transportation by the ocean of at least 8,000 troops would require 890,000 rubles per month. Transfer of 25,000 with 100 guns would cost 3,500,000 per month. The general estimate of the whole war was in the range of 200-300 millions, optimistically.
  • There was a report that China ordered in Britain 2 light modern cruisers and in Germany 2 ironclads.
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  • Russian consul in China reported that troops, food and new weapons are constantly transferred by the sailing ships and chartered English steamers from southern provinces of China to Beijing and Manchuria.
The obvious question was: for what? The proposals included annexation of Mongolia (but it was too poor to be of any practical use) or a part of Manchuria with a border by the Sungari River (with a questionable bonus of ending up with a couple millions of Manchu and Chinese and a resulting never-ending headache). But AIII did not have any plans for the further annexation at China’s expense and he was not a ruler to be dictated by his military or the ministers.

However, this did not mean that the challenge must be left without an answer because a show of weakness could encourage the Chinese to go on the offensive. The squadron arrived at Vladivostok and intensive construction of the fortifications started. Taking into an account that at least half of the people working on the construction were Chinese (including contractor himself), it was reasonable to assume that the news about these fortifications will reach the other side of a border and somewhat cool down the Chinese decision makers. A number of the Dzungarian regiments rode Eastward along the border making their presence conspicuous. With the Mongolian border not being quite clear, there was even a small encounter when a Dzungarian hundred occasionally bumped into few hundreds camping Manchurian banner troops and routed them. The losses were minimal, two wounded Dzungarian horses and 39 wounded and killed Manchu, but the news about the march had been communicated further dumping the enthusiasm on the Chinese side.

As far as the “popular attitudes” were involved, the whole thing did not generate too much of a popular attention not only in Russia in general but even in Vladivostok. A traveller who arrived with the squadron found that the locals do not expect any war (and as far as they could tell, neither did the Chinese in general) and consider everything as something invented in the capital. To his surprise, when he went further to China he found the same attitude among the Chinese: until the government says that there is a war, it is a peace and there is no need to get hostile.

China.
There were the serious considerations:
  • The “German barbarians” were problematic. So far they were doing what they had been paid for but the Chinese cabinet was informed that they will not be participating in fighting against the Russian troops and, while they will be willing to fulfill their contract regarding the ironclads, the delivery time may be negatively impacted in the case of war unless the Chinese will be ready to pick them up in the German port and sail from it on their own risk.
  • The top ranking “British barbarian”, when asked for an advice, recommended to burn Peking, move the imperial court to the South and to be prepared for a guerrilla war for the next five years.
  • As far as the Dowager Empress was concerned, the war, regardless its outcome, will be a lose-lose situation for the dynasty and Manchurian rule in general: the only meaningful fighting forces were under command of the Chinese military clans so in the case of victory, they’ll become even more influential and in the case of a loss the government will be blamed.
To diffuse the situation Cixi called the Military Council and proposed that those advocating a war must compensate the imperial treasure all its cost including the possible indemnity. The Manchurian majority of the Council voted for this proposal because it was targeting Li Hongzhang, Zuo Zongtang and their military clans.

The government in Peking decided that it would be wise not to escalate the conflict all the way to a war and Li Hongzhang sided with it because he did not want a war to start with and already got everything he could out of the “national alarm” by getting from the government huge funds for strengthening army and fleet that he was controlling. His troops were getting the new guns and rifles and his Northern fleet will be receiving the new ships ordered in Britain and Germany.

For dealing with Zuo Zongtang the Empress used a bureaucratic trick. The bellicose commander incessantly calling for the war with Russia was invited to Peking and … kicked upstairs. He was made advisor to the throne and a head of the Ministry of War. In practical terms, he was moved away from the loyal troops and placed within territory of his main competitor, Li Hongzhang. The main proponent of the war was neutralized and the peace talks began. Basically, they were about pretty much nothing because neither side had any territorial pretenses so everything ended up with a declaration of a mutual friendship.

However, both sides started strengthening their border defenses and within a decade the number of troops on both sides of the Amur and Ussuri rivers doubled.

Going East.
In the mid-XIX the total population on the Russian Far East including Sakhalin was approximately 18,000. The border 2,000 km long required not only the guards but a population as well.
The Amur Cossack Host was formed in 1858 and in 1860 a document had been issued to regulate the land-ownership in the region. The new Cossacks had been settled along the border and got the big land grants. The officers, depending upon the rank, had been getting 200-400 hectares and the rank Cossacks - 30 hectares for every man in a family. As a result, by 1862 there were 67 Cossack settlements with a population 12,000 along the Amur and 23 settlements with 5,000 in Primorie.
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In 1861 government issued regulations for the settlers in the region. A peasant family was getting 100 hectares (30 times more than an average family plot in the European Russia) for 20 years free of charge with a right to purchase it at any time at the price of 3 rubles per hectare. For 10 years they were free from military service and forever free from the head tax. Within the next decade more than 10,000 families moved into the area. However, the process was complicated due to the absence of a railroad connecting European Russia to the Far East (the regional railroads were not integrated and tended to connect the local industrial centers). As a result, the peasants had to travel across 5,000 versts on their own which was taking 1.5 - 2 years without any help from the government [4].
With the idiocy of this arrangement getting increasingly obvious, the government of AII started, as an alternative, transporting the settlers by the sea from Odessa (there was no Suez canal, yet) at the government’s expense. Well, the “expense” was expensive and it was expected to transport only few hundred families per year. Transportation by the Amur also was relatively expensive: trip from Baykal area to Khabarovsk was taking 10 days and cost 10 rubles for a grown up and 5 for a child. During the reign of AIII the settlers started getting various forms of state support and the numbers of settlers kept growing but they still were too low.
An issue of the railroad from European Russia to the Far East was anything but new. It was raised in 1850s but NI did not have money for it. When AII got another application he wrote that during the reign of his father the proposal was rejected as too expensive and he also rejects it. AIII wrote on one of the new proposals that this project is long overdue but got from his ministers a classic bureaucratic answer that while this construction is clearly necessary, it can be started now because the Russian finances do not allow such an expensive project.
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Fortunately, something happened that overweighted all ministerial fears. A message came informing that China started construction of a railroad from Peking toward the Russian Far East. Ministry of the Foreign Affairs and Ministry of War recognized the danger and only Minister of Finances was against expenditure of 335,000,000 rubles. This time AIII put his feet down and ordered to start construction ASAP. To speed up the construction, Vannovsky offered to start construction from both ends simultaneously.
Strategic importance of this railroad became immediately clear in Europe. One of the German generals, Gustav Kramer, wrote: "In political terms with the construction of the road, Russia will gain primacy in the Far East and will be able to defend its border throughout and pursue its political goals safely.”

The funny thing is that the Chinese RR never was built.


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[1] With the privilege of wearing a double-eyed peacock feather in his hat. Charles Darwin ventured that the magnificent trains on male peacocks, which feature ornamental eyespots called ocelli, evolved because of sexual selection. So probably double eyespots implied that an awarded person is double sexy comparing to those awarded with a feather with a single eye and immeasurably more sexy than those without a feather. Of course, this is just a wild guess based upon an assumption that the Chinese viewed the issue along the same lines as Darwin did. Anyway, don’t you feel sorry for the poor plucked male peacocks? Could it be that the plucking was (further) affecting their singing abilities in a negative way? 😂
[2] With a lesser arrogance they could learn a lot in the terms of how not to do things from the history of Peter I.
[3] In OTL he was talking about the march on St-Petersburg during Kuldja Crisis of the 1880s and the same goes for the coffin.
[4] Which looks like a typical modus operandi of the Russian liberals: who cares about the annoying details when there is a Big Picture? 😜
 
Now I fully support an Austrian Congo

Read “The good soldier Schweik”: it contains all information one needs to know about the Austrian colonies. 😜
Not because that is anywhere realistic nor a good thing but because giving Central Africa to the Habsburgs is hilariously evil but not Belgium evil
I’m not quite sure why Princedom of Monaco is excluded from the scramble for Africa. And, ITTL the Septinsular Republic is still around and entitled to its own few thousands square miles somewhere close to the equator. San Marino and Andorra are, of course, more problematic. But so are the PLC and Hungary and if someone does not have access to the sea coast it is not a reason to deprive it of a colony. Anyway, therecis a whole untapped Antarctica and the penguins are probably a good export commodity…. 😜
 
Regarding whole process of colonization we shouldn't forget Austria which could possibly seek a way to reclaim their lost prestige there.
Yep. We should not forget it but we surely can ignore it. 😉

Then there are also Sweden/Denmark/Norway either as two separate entities, or in an union seeking their own slice of the pie, plus Russian interests in Africa .

Denmark has its colonies including a really big one and why would Sweden need them? It is doing just fine selling its iron, steel, timber and many types of the minerals to the rest of Europe.
Otherwise regarding Southern Germany joining German empire, Bismarck owes All and Russia a big one because if All sided with France its quite probable that South would remained independent and while Prussia was quite cooperative ITTL it's important to note that Russia gave it blank checks for Northern Germany in return.

ITTL he owns AIII but Bismarck owning something to somebody is not necessarily the same as Bismarck paying his moral debts or he would not be a great politician. Anyway, so far the only potential contradiction in the interests are the German tariffs on the Russian grain. This was resolved in OTL and I don’t see why not ITTL.
But all in all German Empire being more decentralized is quite realistic given survival of HRE and no Napoleonic wars, Franco Prussian war, or Prussia dominating the battlefield as otl with North making Empire proper and South being extension. I don't see things changing as much under Bismarck (if anything this fits the vision of his empire) and it will take time for common German identity to form , even then North and South might not see eye to eye.
 
Anyway, therecis a whole untapped Antarctica and the penguins are probably a good export commodity….
Im more of a Austrian Australia fan myself but I always look forward for a Pinguim Empire
I’m not quite sure why Princedom of Monaco
Well Liechtenstein waaaas offered Alaska...
San Marino
But it already has a colony, its Italy
Denmark has its colonies including a really big one and why would Sweden need them? It is doing just fine selling its iron, steel, timber and many types of the minerals to the rest of Europe.
Ah yes the great Danish Empire, its larger than South America according to our funny maps
 
With a better industry base they could actually build a proper double tracked TSR, with prestressed concrete Railroad ties in stead of wooden ones (especially not green wood) and high quality steel tracks and bridges instead of cheap iron and wood would definitely help. If they go with the same 7 sections as OTL, they would need a better way to ship steel, I guess it makes more sense to take the hit in completion time and go from 2 directions?

Did we start in 1891 or are we earlier given the update is 1872? If we do 200% they'd still be able to make OTL's early 1900's completion date, so we'd still be on track for a good completion date.
 
With a better industry base they could actually build a proper double tracked TSR, with prestressed concrete Railroad ties in stead of wooden ones (especially not green wood) and high quality steel tracks and bridges instead of cheap iron and wood would definitely help. If they go with the same 7 sections as OTL, they would need a better way to ship steel, I guess it makes more sense to take the hit in completion time and go from 2 directions?

Did we start in 1891 or are we earlier given the update is 1872? If we do 200% they'd still be able to make OTL's early 1900's completion date, so we'd still be on track for a good completion date.
They start in 1872-73 and they go from 2 directions as was initially planned. Not sure about concrete ties: were they available at that time and would they make sense for Russia? There was plenty of wood and usually the big numbers of properlt spare ties had been stored on the stations. Changes were not a big deal.
 
They start in 1872-73 and they go from 2 directions as was initially planned. Not sure about concrete ties: were they available at that time and would they make sense for Russia? There was plenty of wood and usually the big numbers of properlt spare ties had been stored on the stations. Changes were not a big deal.
According to wiki, yes:
First used in the late-nineteenth century,[1] prestressed concrete has developed beyond pre-tensioning to include post-tensioning, which occurs after the concrete is cast. Tensioning systems may be classed as either monostrand, where each tendon's strand or wire is stressed individually, or multi-strand, where all strands or wires in a tendon are stressed simultaneously.[5]

Unfortunately as more often, wiki is too vague and it's reference leads nowhere. I did find another reference: https://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/handle/2097/1439
The concept of prestressed concrete appeared in 1888 when P.H. Jackson was granted the first patent in the United States for prestressed concrete design. Jackson’s idea was perfect
Hopeful start, but then it goes on:
but the technology of high strength steel that exhibited low relaxation characteristics was not yet available. It was not until Eugene Freyssinet defined the need for these materials that prestressed concrete could be used as a structural building material. Unfortunately, although Freyssinet, a brilliant structural designer and bridge builder, lacked the teaching qualities necessary to communicate his ideas to other engineers. It would take Gustave Magnel to write the first book of design in prestressed concrete, communicating this idea to designers worldwide.
So nope, unfortunately not. Well, hopefully they won't use green wood.
 
According to wiki, yes:


Unfortunately as more often, wiki is too vague and it's reference leads nowhere. I did find another reference: https://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/handle/2097/1439

Hopeful start, but then it goes on:

So nope, unfortunately not. Well, hopefully they won't use green wood.
Let’s be realistic: it is Russia and it is a project which has to be done ASAP. 😉

The question is how much trouble will it cause afterwards. With the regular inspections, plenty of wood and replacement process being easy, probably not too much.

The important thing is that AIII is still around and Witte is not “in”, yet. Which means that the RR will go on the Russian side of the Amur, as now, and the East China RR is happening later, after Russia has a developed infrastructure on its side instead of starting with developing China and neglecting its own territory.
 
Makes sense.

Speaking of the East CRR, it and the TSR creating a nice need for Far East coal, iron & steel and manpower. Which is why I wanted to grab Manchukuo as a protectorate at the least. Transporting all railroad needs across the ocean (even with Suez now being ready) is a tad expensive. But making Manchukuo a protectorate also isn't cheap, plus we just averted the war. I could see it happening gradually:
  • TSR being built, bringing in a lot of money and jobs for the coal and iron mines in Liaoning (with the steel foundries in Vladivostok? Boats could travel on Hun to Liao to sea, around Korea to Vladivostok, foundries there are helpful for the fleet etc)
  • Later a railroad like OTL Trans Manchurian RR
  • a much more sensible handling the Boxer Rebellion by the Russians
  • Injecting Russian settlers much earlier, OTL Manchuria had 5 million people in 1850, add most if not all 4 million Russian Settlers of OTL and you'd have a nice stable population. I know they are alien in many ways to eachother, but I've found money being the great god we all can get behind.
  • Maximum sensible border would be Laio, Songhua, Nen, Amur
I still feel its doable. The Japanese have to still swallow Korea, the Chinese their own rebellions.
 
The map shows Venice and Cisalpine under Savoy.

It's under Piedmont actually (Green), I just called them Italy. They conquered Venedik in Prusso- Austrian war and given that Cisalpine wasn't mentioned im assuming that it was annexed by Piedmont as well .
 
Far East
276. Far East

“Whoever is a friend to everybody, I don't consider him a friend."
Molière
"When the paths are different, don't make plans together."
Confucius
There are no friends in politics and cards.”
Finlay Dunn
Give me a good policy and I'll give you good finances.”
Turgot
“Politics is the art of adapting to circumstances and benefiting from everything, even from what is repulsive.”
Bismarck


1870s

The recent events clearly demonstrated to AIII (and his government) 2 main things:
  1. As a partner, political and economic, China is extremely unreliable.
  2. Much more attention than before must be paid to strengthening Russian position East of the Baykal.
This did not mean that the relations should be broken or that outwardly friendly policies of Li Hongzhang, whom some of the Western diplomates dubbed “Chinese Bismarck” and who was the most powerful person in the Qing Empire, must be rejected. But from now on an extreme caution would be warranted: after all, his presumably “pro-Russian” policy was just a way to balance the British influence at the imperial court. In the practical terms, the usual commerce has to continue but there should be no binding diplomatic agreements of any kind.

As far as the commerce was involved, for the recent years it was not going on too well. The main traditional item of the Russian import from China, the tea, started loosing its importance because it was cheaper to import high quality tea from the British India and there was already a growing production on the Russian-owned regions of the Northern Caucasus. On the Russian side the fur trade was dwindling almost to the insignificance being replaced by the growing exports of various manufactured items but the volumes had been relatively modest due to a wide variety of the factors starting from the expensive transportation and ending with a visible reluctance of the big-scale Russian manufacturers and merchants to deal with their Chinese counterparts in the open ports:
  • Even after Suez Canal was opened, travel from the Black Sea to China was long (and shipping of the goods was expensive) and there were plenty of opportunities to sell goods along the route and to purchase tea in India and additional colonial goods in Singapore, Batavia or Manila.
  • If one still decided to go all the way to China, in an absence of the Russian bank in Nanking the business had to be conducted using the British or Dutch credit services which would charge noticeable percentages.
As a result, most of the merchandise (wine, candles, clothes, furniture, etc.) had been actually carried for the consumption by the Russian “colonies” in the Chinese ports.

On the land side, the barter trade in Kyakhta died long ago and it was now more profitable to sell expensive furs to Europe, the US and Middle East. Or just to auction them in Nizhny Novgorod were they would be bought by the Russian and foreign resellers. Chinese government still held to the old ideas of not letting the direct trade across the border but it was, of course, going on illegally in small parties.
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Unfortunately, population in the Mongolian sector was impoverished and could not buy too much and while the Manchu were better off, their settlements along the right bank of Amur were too few to provide a serious market.

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The traditional trade between Hami (on the territory of Dzungarian Cossack Host, Russia) and Anxi (Fujian province, China) was going on by default but it was mostly of a local value.

The second part of the equation, strengthening position on the Far East, to a big degree depended upon the construction of TransSiberian RR but on its own this was not enough: there were also issues of settlers and infrastructure. Vladivostok, as the terminal of the Eastern segment of the construction, already got a huge boost: the volume of the loaded cargo increased within a year at least 10 times and the population kept growing. But a major port and a naval base of the Russian Pacific Squadron needed fortifications and backing industrial infrastructure. Creating of both meant a need of time, money and human resources.

All of the above meant that for a time being Russia needed a regional partner which has to fulfill two main criteria: (a) not being China and (b) not being a completely impotent entity. Which meant that it can’t be Korea (by the reason (b) ) and this left a choice of one: Japan.

Actually, Korea still can be of some unofficial use because the peasants who lived on the border with Russia already had been selling their agricultural products and quite a few of them had been willing to work on the construction projects in Vladivostok area. The country was officially “closed” but its government was a joke (the same goes for its army and pretty much everything else).

Japan.
Russia and Japan had friendly relations for the last few decades because so far there were no contradicting interests and there was definitely some mutual interest as far as the imports-exports were involved. But Japan still was passing through a transitionary period and it was impossible to tell how situation is going to develop in a long-term future.

Meiji government had been conducting an agrarian reform. Former feudal lords received large monetary compensation for the land. Private land ownership has been established in the village. However, the lack of land and agrarian overpopulation have led to the spread of natural forms of lease and bonded relations between tenants and landowners. Three percent land tax absorbed up to 50% of the peasantry's gross income annually. Replacing the natural form with cash tax was extremely unprofitable for peasants, who had to immediately sell their crops at low prices to pay tax. All this led to the extreme instability of the small-scale peasant economy of Japan, facilitated its usury enslavement and loss of a land. At the same time, Japanese landlords often acted as moneylenders, rounding their possessions, taking the lands of peasants for debts. Since the city could not provide sufficient demand for labor, there was an agrarian overpopulation that led to irrational fragmentation of plots and very high (7 times higher than the English I am 3.5 - German) rent.. Howver, these changes also resulted in a fast growth of the agricultural output. Within 15 years size of the agricultural land grew from 3 to 4.2 millions te [1] and agriculture becomes more oriented toward the cash crops, mostly tea and silk yearn (export of both kept growing). The government had been subsidizing agriculture by printing the paper money with a resulting inflation and high prices on these export products [in the 1880s stabilization of the currency will drop the prices and accelerate ruin of the peasantry; by the early XX 70% peasants will be renting land].
So far (in 1870s) Japan is suffering from shortage of a capital: the big old trade-financial “houses” are still sticking to the traditional areas of trade and credit and unwilling to invest into the new industrial enterprises. Within the new framework they are establishing banks. The first one is established in 1873 and by 1879 there will be 153 with more than 75% of a capital belonging to the nobility. Therefore, initially all large factory-type enterprises were built by the state or with the help of foreigners. And, of course, Britain was getting ahead of everybody else getting concession on coal mining. The railroad construction also started with a help of the foreign loans. At the same time, the state itself began to build "exemplary enterprises" in technically complex and new industries for Japan, taking on the main costs and risks. The first "exemplary enterprises" appeared in the shipbuilding, glass, cloth and silk and steel industries. The government maintained 10 mines. As a rule, foreign specialists were hired for the technical management of such enterprises. The state was engaged in buying and selling rice, tea, silk on the world market for the purchase of industrial equipment and necessary goods that were sold to Japanese manufacturers. In 1872, the first telegraph and railway lines were built. A geological study of the country was carried out. Reserves of coal, iron ore and gold were discovered. But the government did not have sufficient funds to create entire sectors of the economy on a large scale. Thus, by the end of the 70s, the total length of railway lines was only 100 km. All "exemplary enterprises" were unprofitable.
The private manufactures were, due to the shortage of a capital, quite small and heavily based upon the manual labor and had been mostly in the areas of processing agricultural produce and textile plus some small-scale shipbuilding. The government was trying to help them by the subsidies and protectionist policies.

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Now, there was a fundamental problem: Japan had very little in the terms of the natural resources except for the coal on Hokkaido and gold. Other than that, it was a little bit of that and this but clearly not enough for a large scale industrial development.

So far, Russian-Japanese trade was steady but rather limited in its volume and nomenclature. Japan was selling silk and, with the increased population f the Russian Pacific coast, the agricultural products, coal (before its extraction on Sakhalin and in Khabarovsk region started) and construction materials. The Japanese tea was not popular in Russia. Russia was selling cotton yarn, woolens, iron and manufactured iron goods, sugar, engines and some other products.

There were settlements of the Russian merchants in Hakodate, Edo and Yokohama and there was a growing presence of the Japanese in Vladivostok. The Russian ships had been making regular stops in the Japanese ports. Then, in 1872 came an important diplomatic event: younger brother of the Emperor Alexander III, the Grand Duke Alexey Alexandrovich (center, 1st row on photo below; to the left commander of the squadron, Admiral Posiet) visited Japan and met with the Mikado.

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Of course, this was not a special visit to Japan. The Grand Duke, a lieutenant of the Russian Navy, was a member of the circumnavigational expedition that included frigate “Svetlana”, on which the Grand Duke served, and two corvettes. Having visited the United States, where Russian sailors and, of course, Grand Duke Alexei were received a warm welcome. Alexey travelled across the US, went on buffalo hunting with Buffalo Bill, Phillip Sheridan, Custer and the Chief Spotted Tail.
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The squadron met him at Pensacola Florida and the trip continued. The squadron visited Havana, rounded the Cape of Good Hope, crossed the Indian Ocean, entered Singapore and finally approached the shores of Japan. While Svetlana with the Grand Duke on board was at sea, the Japanese government sent an invitation to Grand Duke Alexei to visit Japan, moreover, confirmation was given for his meeting with Emperor Mutsuhito (Meiji). They met in Tokyo and this was the first time when Mutsuhito met Russian subject: prior to this the meetings were with the representatives of the administration. Of course, in practical terms the visit meant nothing: Alexei did not have any credentials for a diplomatic mission. However, the symbolism was not lost and the visit was widely commented in Europe.

In 1875 Russia and Japan will sign treaty about mutual most beneficial trade status and the Japanese got a right to trade for the next 10 years without tariffs everywhere along the Russian Pacific coast and the Russian Dobroflot establishec a direct regular traffic had been Vladivostok and Nagasaki.

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Approximately at the same time Japan started encroaching into China’s traditional sphere of influence forcing Korea to sign a mutual trade treaty: in 1875 there was Ganghwa Island incident in which the Japanese demonstrated advantage of the modern artillery and rifles over the matchlocks and in 1876 the two countries signed ‘Japan Korea Treaty of Amity' that ended Joseon's status as a tributary state of the Qing dynasty and opened three ports to Japanese trade.

It was getting increasingly obvious that sooner rather than later there is going to be a direct confrontation between Japan and China. If Japan wins, Russia would be able to squeeze the Chinese into signing the profitable concessions without firing a shot.

Russian Far East.

The ongoing RR construction and buildup of Vladivostok clearly required a regional industrial base and specifically the iron-/steel-production.
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As soon as the RR will go to the TransBaykal industrial region there is going to be plenty of both but to get it closer, the iron extraction was going to start in Khabarovsk area accompanied by construction of a new steel-production plant near the city on a bank of the Amur river to simplify transportation. There was plenty of coal to the north of Khabarovsk, near Vladivostok and on Sakhalin. This, of course, would take time and money but the plant will be able to use the new Siemens-Martin technology allowing to produce the big volumes of a high-quality steel [2] using, as a part of a source material, scrap iron. Building up the whole industrial region with the mining, steel plant, etc. almost in a middle of nowhere would take few years and in a meantime both equipment for the future plant and supplies needed for the railroad construction and building up Vladivostok defenses had been transported mostly by the ocean with whatever was possible, coming by the Amur.
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Vladivostok fortifications were getting increasingly important both because it was the main naval base of a growing Pacific Flotilla and because of its geographic proximity to both China and Korea. Of course, Korea itself was not a threat but who knows for how long a newly established friend is going to remind friendly. So the formidable defenses will be needed both on the sea and land side.
This construction was going to take many years with a lot of upgrades forced by the changing military technologies. [3]




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[1] 1 te (町) is approximately 0.992 hectare
[2] The usual size of furnaces is 50 to 100 tons, but for some special processes they may have a capacity of 250 or even 500 tons.
[3] In OTL by the time it was finished, it became one of the biggest (if not the biggest) naval fortresses in the world but never was under attack and its usefulness by that time is a big question.
 
With a better industry base they could actually build a proper double tracked TSR, with prestressed concrete Railroad ties in stead of wooden ones (especially not green wood) and high quality steel tracks and bridges instead of cheap iron and wood would definitely help. If they go with the same 7 sections as OTL, they would need a better way to ship steel, I guess it makes more sense to take the hit in completion time and go from 2 directions?

Did we start in 1891 or are we earlier given the update is 1872? If we do 200% they'd still be able to make OTL's early 1900's completion date, so we'd still be on track for a good completion date.
This RR would be of pioneer type, so I think it's more important to do well elements like bridges and tunnels because the rest can be improved later relatively easy.
 
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